O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Thordardaughter]

Cutting the OAP Christmas £300 per couple will cost them two votes times millions of electors at the next election.

We might be old buggers now and some won't be with us at the next election, but others will grow into pensioners and replace them and they will remember how shoddy their not so comfortable parents were treated within months of electing this government.

Whilst I totally object to poorer OAPs having their winter fuel allowance stopped I do know a lot of OAPs who don’t need it and they admit it.
If it’s properly means tested it’s really not that unfair is it ?

[cher1]

Whilst I totally object to poorer OAPs having their winter fuel allowance stopped I do know a lot of OAPs who don’t need it and they admit it.
If it’s properly means tested it’s really not that unfair is it ?

The trouble is though that it's estimated around 760,000 eligible older people aren't claiming pension credit. They're likely to be the most vulnerable, so people like those suffering with dementia, disabilities or socially isolated. They'll lose the fuel allowance.

[OP67]

The trouble is though that it's estimated around 760,000 eligible older people aren't claiming pension credit. They're likely to be the most vulnerable, so people like those suffering with dementia, disabilities or socially isolated. They'll lose the fuel allowance.

Martin Lewis' interview with Lisa Nandy the other day was a complete car crash for Nandy. She seemed to think that the 40,000 new applications for pension credit was excellent. Lewis pointed out the 720,000 that will not be able to get their winter fuel benefit was a disgrace. He was absolutely livid and so he should be.
I agree those that have the money should not be gotting it but the cut off is far too low. It needs to be a proper sliding scale but tehy say that'll cost more than everyone getting the money, how?!!! Don't the government use computers to automatically do this???

[Thordardaughter]

The trouble is though that it's estimated around 760,000 eligible older people aren't claiming pension credit. They're likely to be the most vulnerable, so people like those suffering with dementia, disabilities or socially isolated. They'll lose the fuel allowance.

That’s not a fault of the current government. As I said help with that sort of claiming and proper means testing would help those in need so the benefits go to the right people.

[SmiffyPie]

proper means testing would help those in need so the benefits go to the right people.

I remember proper means testing when my Mother (a single parent, sod all help for them in those days!) tried to claim dole when I was a kid (58/59 time). They sent her packing and then two blokes turned up at the house and rifled through every draw and cupboard in the place. They would probably seen half a cup of sugar and a bottle of sour milk 'cos we had phluck all (and some people say they are hard done to these days, my backside!).
Of course there are people that need that money and it's a disgrace that such a piffling total expenditure by a "caring" government should be stopped.

[Thordardaughter]

Yes I remember those days. Benefit was a word you didn’t hear of apart from child benefit of course.

[JoePass]

That’s not a fault of the current government. As I said help with that sort of claiming and proper means testing would help those in need so the benefits go to the right people.

The only benefits will go to kneeler for new clothes and specs and for his slapper understudy.

[OchPie]

You conveniently miss a lot out, as someone else just previously said in a previous post you label the centre in the middle as far right which most of us are not yet conveniently forget how the left and Islamists have turned the clock back to resemble the Nazis in the 1930s with their anti Jewish hate. You and the rest of your collective are very dangerous and more right wing than those that you berate!

Lol. If they were the centre, who is to the right of them exactly?

The anti-Jewish sentiment tolerated under Corbyn was horrific and I was not a member of the Labour party at that time.

Yes,well said, I just get fed up of seeing these lefty traitors waving Hamas/Hezbullah flags all overcthe GB, they are just useful idiots who would be the first to be slaughtered by the people they are sidingvwith.

Yeah rubbish. The vast majority of protestors - including many from the Jewish community - deplore Hamas and Hezbollah.

That those terrorist organisations exist doesn't mean I am going to be happy about Israel slaughtering my friends and colleagues. Those who cheer or shrug every time Israel kills another baby or toddler - and its aggression has seen the death of almost 10 Palestinians under five every day since the disgusting attack by Hamas and others a year ago - aren't going to get my support either.

Most of us have concentrated on the rabble that was in before, disastrous comes to mind but again you have to balance it and thatÂ’s what yourself, BFP, Och etc (IÂ’ve ommited Elite as he came on here and posted about Labours disasters with some balanced views) unfortunately until you accept that all the parties are as bad as each other and stop thinking that Liebour are any different this act of constant denial will continue. Top and bottom of it is that we are in an even worse place than the Tories left with the deniers blaming this fictitious 22 Billion black hole.

They aren't all as bad as each other. The Tories were uniquely terrible and were rightly kicked out. Labour is doing what it said it would do, but so far not very convincingly or effectively it would seem. Starmer desperately needs a better narrative. But it's not his fault every public service has been left in shambles, that pension credit was being denied to hundreds of thousands who should be getting it - or indeed that pensioners spent the last ten years being coddled (relatively). And the last government did very little of consequence. Doesn't excuse the mistakes Starmer and his team has made, but the official opposition is supposed to the the Tories, not the press.

[Notsohumblepie]

Lol. If they were the centre, who is to the right of them exactly?

The anti-Jewish sentiment tolerated under Corbyn was horrific and I was not a member of the Labour party at that time.



Yeah rubbish. The vast majority of protestors - including many from the Jewish community - deplore Hamas and Hezbollah.

That those terrorist organisations exist doesn't mean I am going to be happy about Israel slaughtering my friends and colleagues. Those who cheer or shrug every time Israel kills another baby or toddler - and its aggression has seen the death of almost 10 Palestinians under five every day since the disgusting attack by Hamas and others a year ago - aren't going to get my support either.



They aren't all as bad as each other. The Tories were uniquely terrible and were rightly kicked out. The vast majority of protestors - including many from the Jewish community - deplore Hamas and Hezbollah., but so far not very convincingly or effectively it would seem. Starmer desperately needs a better narrative. But it's not his fault every public service has been left in shambles, that pension credit was being denied to hundreds of thousands who should be getting it - or indeed that pensioners spent the last ten years being coddled (relatively). And the last government did very little of consequence. Doesn't excuse the mistakes Starmer and his team has made, but the official opposition is supposed to the the Tories, not the press.

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The current establishment definition of the political centre ground, would have put Harold Wilson on the board of the 1922 committee

"I was not a member of the Labour party at that time" . Can we assume that means you are now , as you probably wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise

"The vast majority of protestors - including many from the Jewish community - deplore Hamas and Hezbollah" Perhaps you could point out any visible evidence of that. I suspect that the SWP, who print most of the placards anyway , might find that alternative view a difficult cultural pill to swallow.

I suspect that the average pensioner ,who as a single person , would have a Pension Credit access limit of £231 per week , would consider the term "coddled" comparatively, or otherwise , to be stretching semantics to it's elastic limit .

"Labour is doing what it said it would " . I know many older people have hearing issues , but I think they may have missed the bit about "The Heating allowance"

[Elite_Pie]

That’s not a fault of the current government. As I said help with that sort of claiming and proper means testing would help those in need so the benefits go to the right people.

I’m amazed that no government in my lifetime has ever managed to give benefits to those who need and deserve it, and not to those who just can’t be arsed and want a free ride. I have no problem with my winter fuel allowance being removed, but I’m disappointed that it will mean real hardship for some who really do need it.