Careless Red Tories

[Andy_Faber]

Not seen that claim anywhere apart from here. Do you have a source AF?

Not one that wouldn't cause further questions so I've reworded the OP, apologies

[Andy_Faber]

I have no doubt the guy he punched was hardly an innocent bystander, no doubt behaving like a knob and being verbally abusive, but no excuse really for laying your hands on someone. We don't know the full story of course but it's not good by the look of it

That's my issue. No excuse for violence other than in self defence (which those on fan sites who celebrate or intimate their 'handiness' probably don't agree with but hey ho) whatever the colour of their rosette

[ramAnag]

Here's two tier's chance to redeem himself.
Whatever the provocation, that assault was a disproportionate response.

What will 2-tier Kier; 2-tier policing and a 2-tier judiciary do about this then?
Will they apply the 'full force of the law'?
Will they arrest; charge; prosecute and hand down an immediate custodial sentence by next Friday?
Will British justice prevail?
Will Mike Amesbury MP (Labour) be treated by the police and the courts in equivalence to how they treated Peter Lynch (RIP).
Remember Peter Lynch; an ordinary member of the patriotic British public who, like many others, seemed to be compelled to passionately protest on our streets against the sickening barbarity of the Southport massacre in which young British girls were murdered; stabbed; slashed and terrorized. His crime, was calling the police scum and having an offensive placaard. It appently warrented a 2.5 year jail sentence, for a first offence.
Let's hope the whole nation is watching this story like hawks to see what Starmer does next!

Whatever the provocation? Really? Looks bad I agree, but there’s no footage of what preceded Amesbury’s probable/possible first punch.
In a previous incident Ben Stokes’ behaviour looked dreadful…then the truth came out and told a very different story.
Starmer has done all he can…for now. He’s suspended Amesbury subject to further investigation. Such investigation will be conducted by the police, not Starmer, and rightly so. It happened on Saturday and the guy had been suspended by Monday morning. What more can you expect at this stage?
If it proves to be an entirely unjustified attack I imagine Amesbury’s political career will be finished and he’ll probably go to prison…again rightly so.
Time for you and Andy to control your excitement and wait a while until the matter has been dealt with by the police/courts.

[MadAmster]

So, TTR rebukes Starmer and then spouts similar with regard to the, now suspended, Red Tory MP.

The only difference between the 2 is that TTR's "spoutage" will have zero effect.

... and yes, Starmer's "spoutage" shouldn't have persuaded judges/magistrates to hand down more severe than normal sentences.

[Trickytreesreds]

Whatever the provocation? Really? Looks bad I agree, but there’s no footage of what preceded Amesbury’s probable/possible first punch.
In a previous incident Ben Stokes’ behaviour looked dreadful…then the truth came out and told a very different story.
Starmer has done all he can…for now. He’s suspended Amesbury subject to further investigation. Such investigation will be conducted by the police, not Starmer, and rightly so. It happened on Saturday and the guy had been suspended by Monday morning. What more can you expect at this stage?
If it proves to be an entirely unjustified attack I imagine Amesbury’s political career will be finished and he’ll probably go to prison…again rightly so.
Time for you and Andy to control your excitement and wait a while until the matter has been dealt with by the police/courts.

Excitement is nothing to do with it.
Video one from street level, simply showed Amesbury leaning over the victim, yelling and then walking away.
Video two, from a more raised position, now shows Amesbury, putting him on his arse (victim hands in pockets) and then following it up with several blows whilst he is on the ground.

Comparing that, to the Manchester airport video release, is like chalk and cheese.

I think the point of my comment about leaving it to the police and courts, warrents answer. How can someone involved minutely in a riot, be punished so harshly and quickly to score a political point. Yet the 2 incidents mentioned here receive comments about patience for the police and courts?

This guy is an MP, and remembering what I said of how the law works with proportional response. Warrents an immidiate, arrest for charge. The only only contention, is how much provocation occurred to instigate the incident. If he wasn't attacked, he's a dead man walking.

[Andy_Faber]

Whatever the provocation? Really? Looks bad I agree, but there’s no footage of what preceded Amesbury’s probable/possible first punch.
In a previous incident Ben Stokes’ behaviour looked dreadful…then the truth came out and told a very different story.
Starmer has done all he can…for now. He’s suspended Amesbury subject to further investigation. Such investigation will be conducted by the police, not Starmer, and rightly so. It happened on Saturday and the guy had been suspended by Monday morning. What more can you expect at this stage?
If it proves to be an entirely unjustified attack I imagine Amesbury’s political career will be finished and he’ll probably go to prison…again rightly so.
Time for you and Andy to control your excitement and wait a while until the matter has been dealt with by the police/courts.

I’m not excited rA, although I think Tricky has a point about relative severity of and speed of sentencing in other cases in recent months but as you say, in this case we’ll see.

However, never condone the application of a sucker punch, I won’t attach any links to vids but it’s a cowards way out of a situation and potentially lethal

[ramAnag]

Excitement is nothing to do with it.
Video one from street level, simply showed Stokes leaning over the victim, yelling and then waling away.
Video two, from a more raised position, now shows Stokes, putting him on his arse (victim hands in pockets) and then following it up with several blows whilst he is on the ground.

Comparing that, to the Manchester airport video release, is like chalk and cheese.

I think the point of my comment about leaving it to the police and courts, warrents answer. How can someone involved minutely in a riot, be punished so harshly and quickly to score a political point. Yet the 2 incidents mentioned here receive comments about patience for the police and courts?

This guy is an MP, and remembering what I said of how the law works with proportional response. Warrents an immidiate, arrest for charge. The only only contention, is how much provocation occurred to instigate the incident. If he wasn't attacked, he's a dead man walking.

Nice to see you reserving judgement. Can only imagine you’ve never been on a Jury.

Excitement clearly does have something to do with it, hence your complete confusion about four different cases. Thank God it wasn’t a black MP…you’d probably have been orgasmic by now.

Calm down dear…let the law take it from here.

[ramAnag]

I’m not excited rA, although I think Tricky has a point about relative severity of and speed of sentencing in other cases in recent months but as you say, in this case we’ll see.

However, never condone the application of a sucker punch, I won’t attach any links to vids but it’s a cowards way out of a situation and potentially lethal

Well you seemed to be, in your haste, this morning. Seemed to be more like the TTR ‘school of posting’, after all you are, allegedly, opposed to such posts.
As I say…wait and see. The case is already confused by the fact that this MP would appear to have been being stalked by another similarly aged man for some time.
‘Curiouser and curiouser’…doubtless it’ll all ‘come out in the wash’ and he’ll suffer the consequences or be exonerated.

[Andy_Faber]

Well you seemed to be, in your haste, this morning. Seemed to be more like the TTR ‘school of posting’, after all you are, allegedly, opposed to such posts.

We seem to have gone full circle. Now I post a thread identifying a chink in the armour of HMG (post #1) of which lets face it there were dozens, maybe hundreds during the Conservative period in office, and your response starts with a personal attack on the OP (in this case me) (post #5)

[ramAnag]

We seem to have gone full circle. Now I post a thread identifying a chink in the armour of HMG (post #1) of which lets face it there were dozens, maybe hundreds during the Conservative period in office, and your response starts with a personal attack on the OP (in this case me) (post #5)

‘Personal attack’? What rot and it’s not a ‘chink in anyone’s armour’ either.

It’s a thoroughly unsavoury incident that there may or may not be more to which now needs police investigation.

You and Tricky seem to have got your respective knickers in a twist over it and it just amused me that you of all people, who is so opposed to contentious political threads on here, should apparently be falling over yourself to post one, complete with link, this morning.

As I said…seems much more of a typical TTR tactic than something you’d usually do, and you can’t have it both ways, but… ‘personal attack’…total tosh.