O/T And we wonder why we trust Starmer

[ragingpup]

I thought the left were anti war 😂

Very droll, but not sure it's a left position when the likes of Pritti Patel is supporting Starmer's position of keeping ground forces in Ukraine as an option. I think we all share the same ground that we want the war to stop, the fundamental difference seems to be that I (and probably the majority of UK people) don't think it can be achieved whilst Russian forces occupy a part of the Ukraine against the country's democratic wishes. Whereas you seem to share Trump's delusion that you can strike a deal with Russia to stop hostilities without Ukraine's agreement.

(If it turns out that somehow, Trump can strike a deal with Putin that involves the full withdrawal of Russian troops, then I would hugely respect and support Trump for that. This isn't about hating on the man for dogmatic reasons)

[frogmiller]

Very droll, but not sure it's a left position when the likes of Pritti Patel is supporting Starmer's position of keeping ground forces in Ukraine as an option. I think we all share the same ground that we want the war to stop, the fundamental difference seems to be that I (and probably the majority of UK people) don't think it can be achieved whilst Russian forces occupy a part of the Ukraine against the country's democratic wishes. Whereas you seem to share Trump's delusion that you can strike a deal with Russia to stop hostilities without Ukraine's agreement.

(If it turns out that somehow, Trump can strike a deal with Putin that involves the full withdrawal of Russian troops, then I would hugely respect and support Trump for that. This isn't about hating on the man for dogmatic reasons)

Pritti Patel?

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/stoc...an-ukraine-war