Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
I don't think anyone is happy about it and hopefully joined up European opposition allies can join with trump in pursuading Putin to withdraw from Ukraine, so it won't come to it. Seems to me if one nation invades another, we either join together using collective armed forces to meet the force with opposition, or we just look away and allow a nation to be taken by force in part at first but history tells us that such manouvres don't end there. We'll have to disagree, I think Europe should collectively stand up to Putin, and to be honest Russia's military capabilities are not strong, struggling even to hold onto what it has against the Ukranian forces. I understand the argument against it but I think the 1939 comparison holds as does the reason NATO was formed - if a democratic nation is invaded, collective force should be used to overcome it to avoid it escalating further.
I stand with you absolutely. The shower on here make it easy to see how WWII happened. Gutless, worthless self-service.
I was and am an absolute Brexiteer (based on migration policy primarily).
But I believe we MUST join a cohesive Europe on this.
I am absolutely not minded to accept two lunatic dictators deciding the future for all of us and this is the thin end of the thickest wedge (well, forgetting some on here).
Read Sholokov's Don novels if you want to understand the relationship of Ukraine and Russia. Wonderful stuff. Start with And Quiet Flows The Don.