O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[Jampie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-hQQG9E2nU

This is a former right wing Prime Minister of Australia giving an honest appraisal of Trump and what he's up to. First two minutes are enough to get the idea.

[M0ufMk3]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-hQQG9E2nU

This is a former right wing Prime Minister of Australia giving an honest appraisal of Trump and what he's up to. First two minutes are enough to get the idea.

Interesting and measured. I was waiting for the bit when somebody (in this case Turnbull) called out China as essentially, the potential victor in Trump's posturing. They've always struck me as having a long term plan, which contrasts with Putin's plan being no longer term than the opportunity to get his shirt off. And they're already looking to undercut the US in AI and it'll be interesting to see the reaction within the US if DJT tariffs US businesses out of getting good value (albeit at the expense of its own AI industry).

Interesting times and challenging.

[Old_pie]

Interesting and measured. I was waiting for the bit when somebody (in this case Turnbull) called out China as essentially, the potential victor in Trump's posturing. They've always struck me as having a long term plan, which contrasts with Putin's plan being no longer term than the opportunity to get his shirt off. And they're already looking to undercut the US in AI and it'll be interesting to see the reaction within the US if DJT tariffs US businesses out of getting good value (albeit at the expense of its own AI industry).

Interesting times and challenging.

Personally I find them frightening times.

Perhaps Europe should kick the Yanks out of all the military bases and I hope they have been charged in full for the support provided in the USA's Iraq wars and backing for other wars that America seemed keen to involve themselves in since the end of WWII.

I doubt that Europe could do much to stop an American/Russian land grab but the rest of the Western world surely could make things uncomfortable for Trump if they got their act together. And it seems that even with good access to facts that the gullible can be led by propaganda and misinformation (well done Musk).

[Elite_Pie]

Personally I find them frightening times.

Perhaps Europe should kick the Yanks out of all the military bases and I hope they have been charged in full for the support provided in the USA's Iraq wars and backing for other wars that America seemed keen to involve themselves in since the end of WWII.

I doubt that Europe could do much to stop an American/Russian land grab but the rest of the Western world surely could make things uncomfortable for Trump if they got their act together. And it seems that even with good access to facts that the gullible can be led by propaganda and misinformation (well done Musk).

Sadly, the only end result I can see for this is Ukraine being shafted. Trump will claim he sorted the war, and Putin will save face.

[Jampie]

Sadly, the only end result I can see for this is Ukraine being shafted. Trump will claim he sorted the war, and Putin will save face.

Based on the deal Trump struck with the taliban without including Afghanistan in the negotiations, yeah. Seems likely.

[andy6025]

Personally I find them frightening times.

Perhaps Europe should kick the Yanks out of all the military bases and I hope they have been charged in full for the support provided in the USA's Iraq wars and backing for other wars that America seemed keen to involve themselves in since the end of WWII.

I doubt that Europe could do much to stop an American/Russian land grab but the rest of the Western world surely could make things uncomfortable for Trump if they got their act together. And it seems that even with good access to facts that the gullible can be led by propaganda and misinformation (well done Musk).

I recently read somewhere that a European official allegedly leaked that Trump threatened to pull all American troops out of Europe if Europe does not accept his peace plan for the Russo-Ukrainian war. No idea if it is true or not. If it is we can rest assured that Europe will do as it is told. It is the same for us in Canada. The Europeans are vassals, as are we. Europe has no cards to threaten Trump with anything. Look at how the yanks blew up the pipeline, just in case the Germans ever had any second thoughts. And the Germans did not say boo.

When I say spread, you say how wide.

[LaxtonLad]

I recently read somewhere that a European official allegedly leaked that Trump threatened to pull all American troops out of Europe if Europe does not accept his peace plan for the Russo-Ukrainian war. No idea if it is true or not. If it is we can rest assured that Europe will do as it is told. It is the same for us in Canada. The Europeans are vassals, as are we. Europe has no cards to threaten Trump with anything. Look at how the yanks blew up the pipeline, just in case the Germans ever had any second thoughts. And the Germans did not say boo.

When I say spread, you say how wide.

Do you seriously think we in Europe should be worried what Putin might do if we lose (get rid) of the American troops that Trump wants us to pay even more for? Russia can't even cope in Ukraine and the USA were the losers against Vietnam and Afghanistan, a great loss they would be.

[Old_pie]

Do you seriously think we in Europe should be worried what Putin might do if we lose (get rid) of the American troops that Trump wants us to pay even more for? Russia can't even cope in Ukraine and the USA were the losers against Vietnam and Afghanistan, a great loss they would be.

Is Europe really so weak that we can't strike the mineral deal that is being proposed and put troops in to protect commercial interest whilst saying "bye bye America"?

[andy6025]

Is Europe really so weak that we can't strike the mineral deal that is being proposed and put troops in to protect commercial interest whilst saying "bye bye America"?

In short, yes.

[SmiffyPie]

Is Europe really so weak that we can't strike the mineral deal that is being proposed and put troops in to protect commercial interest whilst saying "bye bye America"?

When it comes down to boots on the ground yes it is. Poland have already said they wouldn't in case it annoyed Vlad.