Maynard out?

[1955pie]

Totally agree on fans grumbling vs fans encouraging; obviously its a no brainer to be positive rather than negative. Goes without saying.

I also get the age thing to some extent, but the sacrifice, dedication, grind even the youngest players have shown to get into that position show they have genuine professionalism.

I just do not think it is the fans responsibility to drag a performance out of a team.

I believe a crowd can and sometimes does drag a performance out of a team.
When the manager and the players say that they appreciate the support that they receive both home and away, do you think they dont mean it?
Given a choice between booing, cheering or silence, which is most likely to help the team perform? Especially if they are having a tough time?
If we can help and choose not to then I would suggest that we do have some collective responsibility for the outcome.
I am sure you, like me will be down there giving it all on Saturday but for those who are just going to sit on their hands, they may as well stay at home and watch it on the telly.
Of course the crowds contribution matters.

[LeftPeg_Pie]

I believe a crowd can and sometimes does drag a performance out of a team.
When the manager and the players say that they appreciate the support that they receive both home and away, do you think they dont mean it?
Given a choice between booing, cheering or silence, which is most likely to help the team perform? Especially if they are having a tough time?
If we can help and choose not to then I would suggest that we do have some collective responsibility for the outcome.
I am sure you, like me will be down there giving it all on Saturday but for those who are just going to sit on their hands, they may as well stay at home and watch it on the telly.
Of course the crowds contribution matters.

Im not really disagreeing with too much of what you are saying:

Of course the fans supporting loudly, positively and consistently can help the team.
Of course fans can drag an extra percent or five out of a team.
Of course the fans and manager mean it when they say they appreciate the home and away fans.
Of course cheering rather than booing is generally better (although if you boo then that is your choice and that is fine by me, although it is something I choose to do very, very sparingly personally).

I simply do not think it is our responsibility to push the team on. Its more the terminology use than anything.

However, I 100% do disagree that if a fan wants to sit in ML quietly and not chant, or shout or whatever then that is fine too. I certainly do not think they should watch it on TV. When we start to gate keep about being a fan, we are on very rocky ground.

[i961pie]

I believe a crowd can and sometimes does drag a performance out of a team.
When the manager and the players say that they appreciate the support that they receive both home and away, do you think they dont mean it?
Given a choice between booing, cheering or silence, which is most likely to help the team perform? Especially if they are having a tough time?
If we can help and choose not to then I would suggest that we do have some collective responsibility for the outcome.
I am sure you, like me will be down there giving it all on Saturday but for those who are just going to sit on their hands, they may as well stay at home and watch it on the telly.

Of course the crowds contribution matters.

Well if the people who don't sing or sit on their hands as you put it stayed at home then most of the Pavis and family stand would be empty. A massive loss of revenue.

[Old_pie]

I believe a crowd can and sometimes does drag a performance out of a team.

So why doesn't it work for us?

When the manager and the players say that they appreciate the support that they receive both home and away, do you think they dont mean it?

Of course they mean it as they realise where their pay packets come from.

[Notts78]

So why doesn't it work for us?



Of course they mean it as they realise where their pay packets come from.

Sky?

[durhampie]

Well if the people who don't sing or sit on their hands as you put it stayed at home then most of the Pavis and family stand would be empty. A massive loss of revenue.

I remember being at Swindon when we got relegated. We sang throughout the whole 90 minutes to encourage the lads, but it made no difference, we played crap. Its the team that needs to give the supporters something to cheer about. This season at home we have had very little to cheer about. We win a game away against a side that sits 19th in the table, and suddenly SM is back in favour.. He needs to be accountable for all of those points dropped at home against inferior opposition with crowds of a round 10,000 and providing some of the worst boring football seen for ages..

[jackal2]

I remember being at Swindon when we got relegated. We sang throughout the whole 90 minutes to encourage the lads, but it made no difference, we played crap. Its the team that needs to give the supporters something to cheer about. This season at home we have had very little to cheer about. We win a game away against a side that sits 19th in the table, and suddenly SM is back in favour.. He needs to be accountable for all of those points dropped at home against inferior opposition with crowds of a round 10,000 and providing some of the worst boring football seen for ages..

I don't recall anyone complaining about a lack of atmosphere at Meadow Lane during the National League promotion campaign. The team generally played exciting football and the crowd (including the Pavis stand) responded with enthusiasm, as they always will if their team is playing the ball forward at every opportunity and creating chances.

I agree with you that the football at home this season has often been dull and uninspiring to watch, even in some of the games we eventually won, so it should come as no surprise that the crowd reaction is more apathetic. Yes, the players need supporters to get behind them, but the onus is on the team to offer something for them to cheer.

Most clubs have areas of support that are typically more or less vociferous, and fans tend to self-select where they sit based on what they prefer, as is their right as paying punters, but if there's enough happening on the pitch then the whole ground comes alive.

[kill_the_drum]

So why doesn't it work for us?

There?s no absolute proof that positive atmosphere results in better results, but it?s a safe assumption that it does.
And to back that assumption I would say easily the best atmosphere we?ve had this season was MK Dons. Was it a coincidence that it was a rare occasion that we came out in the second half and blew them away, when our main issue at home has been the opposite?
An easy reply would be what MKD were garbage. So was Cheltenham, Gillingham, Newport etc?

[since41]

How many home games did we win during the Covid period with no spectators. Just done a search with no results.

[durhampie]

I don't recall anyone complaining about a lack of atmosphere at Meadow Lane during the National League promotion campaign. The team generally played exciting football and the crowd (including the Pavis stand) responded with enthusiasm, as they always will if their team is playing the ball forward at every opportunity and creating chances.

I agree with you that the football at home this season has often been dull and uninspiring to watch, even in some of the games we eventually won, so it should come as no surprise that the crowd reaction is more apathetic. Yes, the players need supporters to get behind them, but the onus is on the team to offer something for them to cheer.

Most clubs have areas of support that are typically more or less vociferous, and fans tend to self-select where they sit based on what they prefer, as is their right as paying punters, but if there's enough happening on the pitch then the whole ground comes alive.

I wasnt refering to the National league.. I was merely pointing out that sometimes no matter how much the crowd get behind the the team, the team doesn't always respond. And that has been very much the case at Meadow Lane this season..