Election Year or Fear!

[SithHappens]

The guy in Manchester who is behind erecting most of the flags there is actually a convicted criminal guilty of illegally importing foreign nationals into the UK

True patriot.

[SithHappens]

Its about Islamic ritual, which is part of what sets off folk like Tricky, because the more Halal meat is pushed at those who aren't bothered, in theory the more butchery becomes the preserve of Muslims or atleast needs Muslims in the process. If you think ANY of this, Halal or otherwise, is pleasant try to find the excellent BBC series 'Kill It Cook It Eat It'. I'm not evangelising for veganism, just suggesting something that might be an eye-opener

The question is, is there any truth to the claim that lots of Companies have switched to halal exclusive production? By switched of course i mean those that are everyday British brands etc.

[swaledale]

It is time that responsible politicians had an honest conversation about immigration and asylum seekers. fat chance of that happening and I'm beyond contempt at Labour for pandering to the xenophobic fake news party!

I agree that hotels aren't suitable for housing them, but lets not forget it was the Tories and Jenrick in particular who did this and created a backlog in processing claims and failed to deport those whose claims failed.

Labour has committed to ending the use of hotels, though they are going to have to do it quicker than 2029, they ahve also beefed up enforcement of illegal working.


I had to laugh at Farage claiming he'd deport 600,000, there are actually only 110,000 in the UK! Still when did facts or actual solutions to issues matter to that blustering, narcissistic grifter?

Lets al so remember, that the majority of the UK voters aren't focussed on asylum seekers, yes they would like to see them properly and humanely handled but this ugly xenophobic rhetoric that's in the right wing media and pushed by reform and the Tories et al isn't in tune with what most people think.

[swaledale]

Its about Islamic ritual, which is part of what sets off folk like Tricky, because the more Halal meat is pushed at those who aren't bothered, in theory the more butchery becomes the preserve of Muslims or atleast needs Muslims in the process. If you think ANY of this, Halal or otherwise, is pleasant try to find the excellent BBC series 'Kill It Cook It Eat It'. I'm not evangelising for veganism, just suggesting something that might be an eye-opener

Of course the elephant in this room is kosher methods of slaughtering animals!!

[SithHappens]

Of course the elephant in this room is kosher methods of slaughtering animals!!

I struggle to believe there is any truly humane way of slaughtering animals. I cannot believe that transporting them in cramped conditions then the actual process does not create fear and distress.

I used to be vegetarian but in moments of weakness I began eating meat again although I dont eat much and eat a mostly vegetarian diet

I wish i could be totally vegetarian, maybe one day I'll try again

[Andy_Faber]

Of course the elephant in this room is kosher methods of slaughtering animals!!

Not sure the whole country is falling over itself to provide kosher options, but the ritual aspect is a bit similar - I've had a Jewish Israeli boss (quite an experience) who wouldn't allow milk and beef or eggs and chicken to be offered together at corporate do's

[swaledale]

‘It seems no-one here wants to have a sensible discussion…’.

I disagree. All the time in the world for a sensible discussion but, imo, you weren’t at all sensible and were out of order to claim initially that a) I’d made others out to be racist. b) I’d treated MA’s response differently from any other. c) Become arrogant and slightly rude when reminded that you hadn’t responded to the reply you asked me to provide.

It works both ways AF and it isn’t at all blinkered to suggest that there are forces at work to make racist attitudes and behaviours more acceptable.

You want sensible? Then how about you provide your honest opinion to a few questions.
1. How was it ever acceptable for someone to assume some sort of heroic status as a result of encouraging arson and murder?
2. Why do you appear to struggle so much with what you consider to be a disproportionate number of Black/Asian presenters? Why does it matter what colour/religion presenters are?
3. Do you agree or not that a large part of Farage and Trump’s (amongst others) agendas is to provide credibility and respectability to racist views?

There’s no trick from me either, but I’ve finished cutting the grass and am also genuinely interested.

I fear you will wait in vain for a reasoned answer RA, its puzzling, AF claims to be even handed yet so many of his posts contain elements of a xenophobic/racist tinge.


To add another dimension, if its immigration/asylum seekers that rouse these imbeciles (thugs) protesting so much, how come this so called "anger2 is in areas such as Lincolnshire, Es*** etc. where the proportion of immigrants is1% or less?

Anyway I I was in hospital in East London yesterday, 85% of the patients were white, (roughly), whilst around the same approx % of the consultants, Dr's nurses etc. were immigrants or at least had an immigrant background. I was spoken to and treated by a Polish consultant, an Irish Dr, an Asian consultant, a Nigerian nurse, a Malaysian pharmacist and had coffee from a coffee shop being run by two very nice young women of Muslim origin wearing headscarfs. Not once did I think this is odd, just grateful that I was getting treated by friendly, experienced and sympathetic human beings.

[swaledale]

Coverage: because the news outlets need something to fall back on to fill their timeslots/pages and justify their existence

Increase since the Tories: I think the change in administration is just coincidental, 'the people' have just had enough of failed promises/initiatives and what they see as over-sympathetic treatment over the years. NB I wouldn't describe the Tories as hving been in control of anything in particular, hence Labour's chance

I'll beg to differ about 'answers', no-one knows the answer/answers, 'smashing the gangs' is just a silly catchphrase. I have a friend from Zanki in Iraq who describes this as a 'many-headed snake', chop one head off and another rises.

I wouldn't disagree with you on "smash the gangs", rather like the "war on drugs" it will achieve very little. However thats no reason not to disrupt these gangs and take effective action.

Some answers are available, make a safe route available for people to claim asylum outside the UK, thats a major reason for the boats. Return to the agreement on returns we had with France and the EU, Labour is taking steps towards this, but Brexit meant we lost the automatic right to return those who could legitimately have claimed asylum in another Eu country. I.e.e those without family connections to the UK.

Clamp down on illegal working in the UK whether it be asylum seekers or illegal migrants trafficked in to do jobs, this would remove an incentive.

Process asylum claims quickly and deport those whose claims failed quickly, again Labour is making efforts to do this, funnily enough without the hoo ha over last minute legal challenges, which were mostly performative events staged by the Tory government.

Of course real effective action takes time and tends to be unseen, but its the only way forward. If people are foolish enough to swallow the crap being pumped out by Farage, well, like those in Trump's America, they will regret it.

[SithHappens]

Wonder how many of those complaining of halal products etc in asda etc happily eat meat products on their annual holidays to Turkiye without asking how it's cooked, or even demand bacon and sausages for their breakfast

[Andy_Faber]

Lets al so remember, that the majority of the UK voters aren't focussed on asylum seekers

According to Ipsos, Statista and Yougov they are