Times up Mason

[stargazer_1962]

They don't look inspired and I don't think Mason can inspire them he doesn't seem the right type of character.
No leader in the team to give them a rollocking so some of them just take it easy.

[Omegstrat6]

Didn?t go Prando as was coming back from holiday. Judging by the comments i was the lucky one!

Few comments about Mason below - did you notice this?

Anyone else notice the lack of interest the players had when Mason was briefing on the touch line during Mowetts injury

Says it all
Only half the team were listening to the manager

Something is not right there

Mason does not look like he could inspire a dog with a juicy bone so this caught my attention

His post match comments after the previous game included saying that he thought the players did not have the belief in themselves that they could win but he also acknowledged that it was his job to motivate them. Scant evidence of the latter today. Maybe it's the manager or system they don't believe in?

When he first arrived at the club, interviews with the players saw them praise him for being direct and very clear about what he wanted from them. Aside from the tippy-tappy sideways/ backwards stuff (which I presume is all about holding on to possession and-yawn-biding our time waiting for the right break) I can't see what he expects of them lately. Given today's disjointed performance, like others, I'm struggling to discover if we even had a game plan for the match.

Winning can become a habit, but so can drawing or losing. The frustration on some of the players' faces is clear as confidence dips. The longer this goes on, the harder it is to break out of and the further down the table we will slip. Part of any managers job is to motivate his team and get the best from them. Mason doesn't seem to be able to do either at the moment.

Whilst the top 4 clubs are pulling away, there are still several clubs who are all bunched together on the same points so a turn around is still possible but we are rapidly running out of time to do so. I had genuine hopes of a Top 6 finish at the start of the season but as we enter November I'd settle for Top 10 -though it will need far better performances than today's.

[baggieal]

His post match comments after the previous game included saying that he thought the players did not have the belief in themselves that they could win but he also acknowledged that it was his job to motivate them. Scant evidence of the latter today. Maybe it's the manager or system they don't believe in?

When he first arrived at the club, interviews with the players saw them praise him for being direct and very clear about what he wanted from them. Aside from the tippy-tappy sideways/ backwards stuff (which I presume is all about holding on to possession and-yawn-biding our time waiting for the right break) I can't see what he expects of them lately. Given today's disjointed performance, like others, I'm struggling to discover if we even had a game plan for the match.

Winning can become a habit, but so can drawing or losing. The frustration on some of the players' faces is clear as confidence dips. The longer this goes on, the harder it is to break out of and the further down the table we will slip. Part of any managers job is to motivate his team and get the best from them. Mason doesn't seem to be able to do either at the moment.

Whilst the top 4 clubs are pulling away, there are still several clubs who are all bunched together on the same points so a turn around is still possible but we are rapidly running out of time to do so. I had genuine hopes of a Top 6 finish at the start of the season but as we enter November I'd settle for Top 10 -though it will need far better performances than today's.

This is a classic of players who don?t believe in Mason or have faith in his tactics, We need a clear leader on the pitch who is consistently the captain. How Wallace is still the official captain defies belief then swapping it around!

Hands in pockets and Abella shouting out instructions is a poor sign too about Mason! Zero passion during the match and even during interviews!

Nestor won?t want Mason sacked as it will look to be a failure on his part too which would be true.

Don?t mind dropping points or finishing mid table if the entertainment is there, I would rather lose playing youngsters who give it a good go, Take Birmingham they are no better than us but they attack and attack and have belief in winning every match from the kick off.

[On Balance]

I do think the model has been misunderstood. It?’s the basic principles most clubs now follow. We will put the ball on the ground and play 433 - thats about it.

I think our modernisation has been seen as the reason why we are failing. We have just transitioned from an owner that nearly plummeted us to depths of league one and administration. The whole team needed an overhaul and we needed to save 10s of millions of pounds to satisfy FFP.

Selling your best players, replacing them with cheaper ones and still being competitive would be a fine feat. Us being competitive at the top of the table was unrealistic and will take a couple more transfer windows, maybe longer.

It is nice to see Matt, that you have finally seen the realism that the Nestor model is not working.

For me, I think I would be good to give Mason the opportunity to manage/coach without being held to the model that clearly has not worked.

Give the man a chance, ditch the Nestor model and see if he is capable. If not then look at where we are and the club would need to make a decision on what to do and where we would want to be going direction wise.

Said the Nestor model was wrong for the club from the start. And it still is.

We are all allowed opinions and it is nice to see you can accept that the Nestor model does not fit with us.

[Bombers right foot]

Just a note,
We?ve scored 12 goals this season. Coventry have scored 36. That?s what happens when you play football at a walking pace with no clear plans, structure or energy, plus playing the ?safe? game mostly in your own half with the full backs not overlapping creating chances smacks of very poor coaching with total lack of ideas.
Even Pulis who bored us to death had a plan, Mason has no idea and should be replaced before the next international break, the new manager whoever that may be needs time before the next transfer window, Patel and Nestor should admit they have made a glaring mistake in appointing a novice and act accordingly

[On Balance]

Mason does appear out of his depth. That said, is it the Nestor model that is holding him back or is he actually just inept.

We had the very same issue when Tony Mowbray was here in that it appeared he regularly made the wrong selections, players playing out of position, boring sideways and backwards football and of course, not winning many games.

Corberan, much the same, as much as I’d wished he had stayed, it was exactly the same as what we had with TM and now Ryan Mason.

Is Mason, like Mowbray and Corberan working with their hands ties behind their backs. If the shackles were taken off and Mason was allowed to manage and plan in his own style, would it be a whole different ball game (excuse the pun). I think it just might.




[baggiematt]

It is nice to see Matt, that you have finally seen the realism that the Nestor model is not working.

For me, I think I would be good to give Mason the opportunity to manage/coach without being held to the model that clearly has not worked.

Give the man a chance, ditch the Nestor model and see if he is capable. If not then look at where we are and the club would need to make a decision on what to do and where we would want to be going direction wise.

Said the Nestor model was wrong for the club from the start. And it still is.

We are all allowed opinions and it is nice to see you can accept that the Nestor model does not fit with us.

I didnt say the Nestor Model isnt working, I said Mason isnt working. Im not sure why you have put words in my mouth.

As ive said before, the Nestor model is just about building consistency in strategy, not application.

[bordering]

Mason does appear out of his depth. That said, is it the Nestor model that is holding him back or is he actually just inept.

We had the very same issue when Tony Mowbray was here in that it appeared he regularly made the wrong selections, players playing out of position, boring sideways and backwards football and of course, not winning many games.

Corberan, much the same, as much as I’d wished he had stayed, it was exactly the same as what we had with TM and now Ryan Mason.

Is Mason, like Mowbray and Corberan working with their hands ties behind their backs. If the shackles were taken off and Mason was allowed to manage and plan in his own style, would it be a whole different ball game (excuse the pun). I think it just might.




If the Nestor model is at fault then dump it , if Mason is at fault dump him -[ he is always has been the problem] but we won't too much egg on too many faces and too much£ in compensation . Sadly even if Mason had a personality transplant and a realisation that he is job/future is in the balance there is no way back - I think it's called losing the dressing room .

It is a perfect storm - and that's the only way we can use that word perfect about our beloved Baggies,
The only way is down - not relegation but a gentle decline to nowhere and to top it boring football , demotivated team , clueless manager.

It's not the disenchantment it is the misplaced hopes that does for you

[On Balance]

I didnt say the Nestor Model isnt working, I said Mason isnt working. Im not sure why you have put words in my mouth.

As ive said before, the Nestor model is just about building consistency in strategy, not application.

Apologies Matt. No offence intended. It was just the change of view. I understand you are still an advocate of the Nestor model. Sorry for my misunderstanding.

[baggiematt]

Apologies Matt. No offence intended. It was just the change of view. I understand you are still an advocate of the Nestor model. Sorry for my misunderstanding.

Ok. No my view on Mason has changed. A consistent model itself, we have needed one for years.

It’s clear to me that managers arent governed by the model other than to play 433 and put the ball on the ground. You can see this because the last two managers have had full backs that get forward, Mason doesnt.

What the club are asking for is ordinary. Most premier league sides have a system they dont deter from so they spend their money well and players are best utilised if a manager leaves or gets the chop. Brentford are a fine example. Forest and West Ham are a mess because they keep switching what they want.