OT Corrupt BBC at it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ragingpup]

All you do is rabbit. I see there's been no agreement on fossil fuel at Cop 30 today.

All you do is scream 'I want evidence' and keep quoting Reuters and Co?

All your sources are owned by billionaires. Look at media as the modern bible and step back.

Some people have gone too far and see everything as a conspiracy theory.

There's no doubt climate change is going on but you and all the science doesn't know what the planet will look like in decades time.

Artificial intelligence and technology is advancing at rapid pace.

Your friends China are at the forefront. They are producing sources of green energy at a rate far in advance of everyone else. All on the back of a massive focus on fossil fuel production.

Do you care at what cost? It's reported Uyghur Muslims are being exploited into forced labour to make solar panels. Do human rights only apply to every Tom, Dick and Harry who enter the UK these days?

It appears Ed Miliband and our wonderful government thinks so.

Do we know what we are going to do with old EV batteries and wind turbines when they're spent? I've heard the odd rumour the manufacture and disposal of these green energy sources are not as green as our 'sincere' politicians might want us to believe.

There's enough hardware on the planet that can wipe the earth out in a jiffy. Stop worrying about what might happen in 100 years time. Live for now and look after your own.

Stop being a puppet.

Sadly for you and others, I'm likely to continue rabbiting whilstever people initiate political posts on football message boards and spout info that is, to be kind, not been well thought through. Usually because they are reading them from sources that are simply telling them what they want to believe. I don't give a **** whether anything I'm reading is from a millionairre media mogul or an end of the world schreecher in the street: as long as the viewpoint is well thought through and considers a range of scientific evidence, then it will likely be something I can't challenge and am happy to amend my own views, as I often do. But I'm afraid that people sharing links from a shouty man with a big graph completely misrepresenting what the graph is all about deliberately to mislead his audience, I'm always likely to point it out and rabbit out why.

If you don't like the rabbiting, one possibility would be to not post views that are flimsy (at best) on a football message board?

[ragingpup]

Howdy, stop it, he'll be up all night surfing the internet for some evidence to prove you wrong..................utm.

In fairness to me on this avon, it is a subject that I've been reading around for 20 years now, from a range of perspectives. The only time I need to surf for info is to get data that I can't remember and avoid going thrugh my bookshelves, and also to find easier to read (than my books) articles that express the argument in a consise way to share as a link.

[howdydoo]

Sadly for you and others, I'm likely to continue rabbiting whilstever people initiate political posts on football message boards and spout info that is, to be kind, not been well thought through. Usually because they are reading them from sources that are simply telling them what they want to believe. I don't give a **** whether anything I'm reading is from a millionairre media mogul or an end of the world schreecher in the street: as long as the viewpoint is well thought through and considers a range of scientific evidence, then it will likely be something I can't challenge and am happy to amend my own views, as I often do. But I'm afraid that people sharing links from a shouty man with a big graph completely misrepresenting what the graph is all about deliberately to mislead his audience, I'm always likely to point it out and rabbit out why.

If you don't like the rabbiting, one possibility would be to not post views that are flimsy (at best) on a football message board?

Nothing at all flimsy about what I've posted. The climate is going to affect parts of the planet and it's going to pose dangers to mankind.

Technological advances will nullify or solve many of those dangers.

Major powers will continue to pollute if polluting = short term prosperity.

You have no idea what big world events such as natural disasters, pandemic's, conflicts, financial events will occur in the next 50 years.

If you were 10 per cent as smart as you think you are, I'm sure you'd be a scientist.

😂😂😂

[ragingpup]

Nothing at all flimsy about what I've posted. The climate is going to affect parts of the planet and it's going to pose dangers to mankind.

Technological advances will nullify or solve many of those dangers.

Major powers will continue to pollute if polluting = short term prosperity.

You have no idea what big world events such as natural disasters, pandemic's, conflicts, financial events will occur in the next 50 years.

If you were 10 per cent as smart as you think you are, I'm sure you'd be a scientist.

😂😂😂

As said before, I wouldn't argue with any of those statements and you weren't the poor sod who shared the X video of the shouty man lying to everyone, plus various other demonstrable inaccuracies. I'm not smart, I just read stuff before before I spout. Anyone can do it if they can be arsed.

I'm surprised that you are confident that technical advances will nullify or solve these problems. Your tone generally has been one of fatalism, that what's the point in investing in green infrastructure ourselves when the big superpowers are continuing with big fossil fuel mining? To now say that you're confident that we will solve the issues through green technology seems to be different. I certainly hope you're right but I can't see where this will happen if we don't continue our investments and hope that the big guns move in that direction eventually. As you say cop30 was quite depressing but it keeps the conversations going.

[howdydoo]

Timed out and lost some of my post when I posted:

History tells you that technology moves on at breakneck speed. Cleaner fuels and cleaner technology are around the corner. What you don't do is abandon every principle and method of growth and make yourself bankrupt before the technology comes on line. China may have reduced emissions slightly but be assured they're building whatever dirty fossil facilities are needed to get there. The good old UK just wave the white flag.

Why am I being different? I posted the above nearly 2 weeks ago, on this very thread.

[ragingpup]

Why am I being different? I posted the above nearly 2 weeks ago, on this very thread.

I don't recall you saying that investment in green infrastructure was going to solve the issues and I'm not sure how you square that circle when you have spent the last couple of weeks saying we shouldn't bother cos the other superpowers aren't? Who exactly is going to save the day with carbon reducing inventions and investments if we should stop and others (superpowers) aren't (in your opinion) even trying?

[howdydoo]

This is the kind of reply that displays your ceiling. You think you're uber intelligent and have all the answers. You don't.

I never said we shouldn't bother. What I've intimated from my first and subsequent posts is suggest we shouldn't be at the forefront of green technology when all the major powers are not. I've said in previous comments that current technology is not as green as they would like you to believe.

I advocate following the leading powers. I advocate monetising our oil reserves and whatever other means to ensure the country remains a leading economy. I checked how my tax is distributed recently. In 2021, 4.2% was allocated to paying off interest on the national debt. Last tax year it was over 11%. We're going bankrupt if you ask me. When the proper technology is upon us to combat climate change we won't have pot to p!ss in.

I read a couple of days ago, Elon Musk has just come out and said humans won't need to work in 20 years time. The USA, China, Russia etc already know what technology lies around the corner. I don't believe climate change is a work of fiction but I'm not going to fret over it.




Look at AI. It's been here 5 minutes:

'AI has already been used to discover new antibiotics, and experts believe it can accelerate the process significantly. Researchers are using AI to design new compounds and screen vast databases of molecules, with recent successes including designing potential antibiotics against drug-resistant bacteria like MRSA and gonorrhoea.'

[Timbertop]

Can AI find a cure for Millibanditis ?

[howdydoo]

Can AI find a cure for Millibanditis ?

Maybe. See comment above re gonorrhea.

[ragingpup]

This is the kind of reply that displays your ceiling. You think you're uber intelligent and have all the answers. You don't.

I never said we shouldn't bother. What I've intimated from my first and subsequent posts is suggest we shouldn't be at the forefront of green technology when all the major powers are not. I've said in previous comments that current technology is not as green as they would like you to believe.

I advocate following the leading powers. I advocate monetising our oil reserves and whatever other means to ensure the country remains a leading economy. I checked how my tax is distributed recently. In 2021, 4.2% was allocated to paying off interest on the national debt. Last tax year it was over 11%. We're going bankrupt if you ask me. When the proper technology is upon us to combat climate change we won't have pot to p!ss in.

I read a couple of days ago, Elon Musk has just come out and said humans won't need to work in 20 years time. The USA, China, Russia etc already know what technology lies around the corner. I don't believe climate change is a work of fiction but I'm not going to fret over it.




Look at AI. It's been here 5 minutes:

'AI has already been used to discover new antibiotics, and experts believe it can accelerate the process significantly. Researchers are using AI to design new compounds and screen vast databases of molecules, with recent successes including designing potential antibiotics against drug-resistant bacteria like MRSA and gonorrhoea.'

I've never even begun to say I have all the answers - just pointing out that people who are trying to state a fact which is wrong isn't a sign of intelligence. It's a sign of not being gullible. This is an area, just one area, that I've spent a lot of time reading around and staying on top of. That's not me being intelligent, it's just being informed, and able to call out when people decide to try and pass *******s off as facts.

Much of what you say here is true, or at least I get where you are coming from. It isn't correct to say that China, USA and even India are not at the forefront of developing green technologies, they simply are, well ahead of us. But I agree with you that they are still a long, long way to offsetting their continued relience on fossil fuels which is a different albeit related issue. So yes, we could resume digging and hope for a shorter term cash boost from this, but considering the time taken to reset this up as well as impact on our own emissions vs fast emerging green infrastructures becoming increasingly affordable I think that even this action is far from certain to have the economic impact you're after, even in the shorter term.