Late goals

[spaldy]

I think we could move up in the table.

12th is not out of the question

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

We also tend to make subs very late I wonder if there is a correlation? 🤔🤣

[Ozwhites]

We seem to be conceding late goals at times lately after he has already made 2 or 3 subs too. Do we blame Farke for that as well??

[MrsORichSenior_]

a lower rate of goals has meant games are tighter this season than they have been in recent PL years…... more at stake now during frequent second-half time added on than in other recent seasons…..so teams are now encouraged to push forward for the winner late on.

if every PL game had ended after 85 minutes this season, Leeds would be seventh in the table and challenging for Europe.
for any goal you can easily pick out an error or a lapse of concentration somewhere along our team chain and for me its not just tiredness, more of there being a lack of leadership and poor individual decision making in those dying minutes…… critical that the goalkeeper, from a communications standpoint, has to be alert with an extra set of eyes that updates the defence on developing patterns of play as they start to materialise as a keeper should have the ideal vantage point to see dangers at such a critical stage of the match as its his job from a communications standpoint to be those extra set of eyes and be vocal in alerting those in front of him to danger during those latter stages of matches.

makes our games interesting to watch and i certainly enjoy the anything is possible approach from our honest hard working group of players and looking at the PL list of coaches fired this season often yearned for as Farke replacements then careful what you wish for would be my take.

MOT

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

We seem to be conceding late goals at times lately after he has already made 2 or 3 subs too. Do we blame Farke for that as well??

Farke had done remarkably well this season but he still had things to work on. I?ve been to a few games this season and mates have too.

During that period when his job was under threat he seemed to be less cautious and make more subs earlier and more of them.

I have been to a couple of games were the ere were players who looked tired after about 60 minutes and he waited another 20 minutes.

The problem is by them sometimes the momentum in the game has shifted and the players coming on don?t have time to shift it back.

In a seasons where fine margins count it might make a difference. He seems to be naturally cautious in that he doesn?t line players to take may risks and he is prone to stick rather than twist.

That is part of the overall package with him which I understand but it doesn?t make it any less frustrating.

[Ozwhites]

Farke had done remarkably well this season but he still had things to work on. I?ve been to a few games this season and mates have too.

During that period when his job was under threat he seemed to be less cautious and make more subs earlier and more of them.

I have been to a couple of games were the ere were players who looked tired after about 60 minutes and he waited another 20 minutes.

The problem is by them sometimes the momentum in the game has shifted and the players coming on don?t have time to shift it back.

In a seasons where fine margins count it might make a difference. He seems to be naturally cautious in that he doesn?t line players to take may risks and he is prone to stick rather than twist.

That is part of the overall package with him which I understand but it doesn?t make it any less frustrating.

I'm hearing you Hope...and certainly understand what you are saying, as earlier he was slow to change things up. But just wanted to point out the fact that he is a possibility of getting a kick in the guts with criticism regardless of when he makes subs. He doesn't make them early enough and they score....or otherwise takes the risk of upsetting the formation and makes them.... and then they score after that. Always a gamble either way, and not too many managers get that right all the time from what I've seen.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Sorry for all the typos but posting from a phone often means there are glitches.

Yeah he does get a lot of criticism at times but sometimes one gets the feeling he doesn’t always help himself on that regard.

At other times the criticism seems fair, not least because promoted teams need to leave no stone unturned.

😎

[whitestomper45]

I had too much time on my hands recently and adjusted league standings, if our games/results were based on ending at the 60th minute. amended we were 12th with 32 points (now 2 games later it would be 35pts) so fine margins..
We are in the top 5 for distance travelled by players, he seems quite analytical, so not sure why he he doesn't bring on players a bit earlier in general. Bringing players on so late when your under pressure, means those players are not up to speed of the game at a crucialtime and are replacing players who were likely running on fumes....

[MrsORichSenior_]

good points Stomper but substitutions are only effective if the next mans ability is comparable to the first man..... so if there is any drop off in quality your going to have a problem..... and to be fair it takes time for a team to gel together as savvy players and as individual personalities settling into the club.

to some degree some may say substitutions are far more impacted by squad depth than who is actually making the subs as for the most part coaches will typically select the best players they have available for a given game..... of course there may be one or two changes for specific tactical reasons, injuries and suspensions but ultimately a team like ours will put out its best available players and we all now know who and what they can offer.....
which means with any substitution you are likely making your team worse in effect as to effectiveness coming in cold and often asked to play tactical roles out of position ...... tough call when you have to factor that in throughout a match with players on the pitch getting more tired and as you commented which are making them worse versions of themselves with a replacement bench ordinary at best in a tough pl some may say......

MOT

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

good points Stomper but substitutions are only effective if the next mans ability is comparable to the first man..... so if there is any drop off in quality your going to have a problem..... and to be fair it takes time for a team to gel together as savvy players and as individual personalities settling into the club.

to some degree some may say substitutions are far more impacted by squad depth than who is actually making the subs as for the most part coaches will typically select the best players they have available for a given game..... of course there may be one or two changes for specific tactical reasons, injuries and suspensions but ultimately a team like ours will put out its best available players and we all now know who and what they can offer.....
which means with any substitution you are likely making your team worse in effect as to effectiveness coming in cold and often asked to play tactical roles out of position ...... tough call when you have to factor that in throughout a match with players on the pitch getting more tired and as you commented which are making them worse versions of themselves with a replacement bench ordinary at best in a tough pl some may say......

MOT

We do have some quality on the bench - Longstaff, Tanaka and Gnonto come to
mind.

If they don’t get decent game time then they are likely to lack match sharpness, are likely to try to force it when they come on and if younger won’t develop.

If you look at the upper levels of coaching courses this becomes an element of it. Farke is hopeless at that.

Even worse than that I had been at games this season where Stach in particular dropped off by the evidence of my eyes and the mutterings of those around me after about 55 to 60 minutes and yet he is left on the pitch for about 20 or so minutes. In one of those games the momentum had changed so badly by the time subs wee made the game had shifted so much it least due to the 4 subs made by the oppo that the inevitable late goal and loss came.

We can pretend all we want it’s not a weakness but it has been a feature of Farke for years for all his other qualities. If we want to get better in this league then Farke needs to also improve areas that are his weaknesses.

For a short period when under severe pressure he made more subs and earlier and the results improved.

The stats suggest this, most fans I know this and the pundits are all talking about it too. It’s not being critical for the sake of it. It is just stating what seems pretty obvious.