Election Year or Fear!

[Geoff Parkstone]

But is being in touch with ordinary people what those people want. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I'd sooner have a politician I can look up to (an they have been in short supply for a long time). Both intellectually and experientially

[ramAnag]

But is being in touch with ordinary people what those people want. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I'd sooner have a politician I can look up to (an they have been in short supply for a long time). Both intellectually and experientially

Ashton is a place I know well, played rugby for them for two seasons, and I suspect Ms. Rayner is in touch with the local electorate - so ticking the ‘experiential’ box - and making it no coincidence that she got many more votes than Reform UK and the Tories put together at the recent election.

I understand your desire to look up to a politician ‘both intellectually and experientially’ (one might add ethically too) but the best current example of that for me is Keir Starmer and certainly doesn’t include any of the current Tory leadership candidates.

[Andy_Faber]

[QUOTE=ramAnag;40563247] she got many more votes than Reform UK and the Tories put together at the recent election.
I understand your desire to look up to a politician ‘both intellectually and experientially’ QUOTE]

I'm actually (I know you're going to think I'm taking the P*** but I'm not') of the 'give her a chance' faction in respect of her current role, it will be interesting to see how often she's wheeled out in front of other national leaders etc - in theory her perceived 'roughness round the edges' shouldn't translate across national boundaries IF she knows what she's talking about. Good luck to her (genuinely) on that score.

She is, however, already getting on my ***s parrotting out the same old **** £22bn/Truss/Tories Crashed The Economy/Black Hole blah blah, that will start working against HMG if persisted with and she sounds like she's reading it off a cue card

There, a bit of balance

[MadAmster]

You know, I really miss the old days when logic and facts were way more important than feelings and delusions

[Geoff Parkstone]

Yes, the good old "We inherited a Tory [insert issue] crisis..." maxim s already beginning to sound grating/desperate/an excuse even if there is some truth in it.

She needs to grow a pair and say how they are going to sort it, but kicking the can of tax hikes down the road doesn't cut it. Give us the bad news, we're all grownups.

Start with reversing the irresponsible NI cuts made during the last 12 months.

Then maybe a train drivers and doctors surtax ☺️. Anyone remember that!

[Andy_Faber]

surtax ☺️. Anyone remember that!

One of many things I learned about by reading good old Charles Shaar Murray in The NME!

[MadAmster]

What I am fed up with is the pedantic semantics used at times. Someone posts a view at one end of the spectrum. Someone else says that's totally false because of whatever. The first person then says OK but..... going along with the slight tweak to what was first written. Person #2 keeps hammering "falsehood". If the truth in the original claim hugely outweighs any shortcomings therein, I find it petty, at best, to keep hammering it. especially when the original poster has admitted his first comment wasn't 100% accurate and goes on to point out holes in #2's argument.

Whatever happened to reasoned discussion where #2 is equally as humble in accepting the basic truth of the opening statement as #1 is in accepting #2's "amendment" but points out that that only applies to a very small amount of people wanting to come to the UK?

Please, everybody, not just #1 and #2, stop being right fighters. There's a point in every exchange where enough is enough. This particular "right fight" has, IMHO gone way too far so, for sanity of the rest of us, put a bloody sock in it!!!

[Andy_Faber]

What I am fed up with is the pedantic semantics used at times. Someone posts a view at one end of the spectrum. Someone else says that's totally false because of whatever. The first person then says OK but..... going along with the slight tweak to what was first written. Person #2 keeps hammering "falsehood". If the truth in the original claim hugely outweighs any shortcomings therein, I find it petty, at best, to keep hammering it. especially when the original poster has admitted his first comment wasn't 100% accurate and goes on to point out holes in #2's argument.

Whatever happened to reasoned discussion where #2 is equally as humble in accepting the basic truth of the opening statement as #1 is in accepting #2's "amendment" but points out that that only applies to a very small amount of people wanting to come to the UK?

Please, everybody, not just #1 and #2, stop being right fighters. There's a point in every exchange where enough is enough. This particular "right fight" has, IMHO gone way too far so, for sanity of the rest of us, put a bloody sock in it!!!

I have

[Andy_Faber]

Hmmm, who’da thought?
Seems like a familiar ‘strategy’…however, moving on…just watched Starmer on Kuenssberg. Appreciate that many won’t agree but I thought he came across very well. Tough decisions need to be made given the situation that’s been inherited and, imo, the PM came across as determined, fair minded and firm in his vision for the future.
Tugendhat, in comparison, seems like a surprisingly decent individual, given that he’s part of the current Tory party, but I’d be amazed if he’s elected leader.

Tugendhat v Starmer would be a good matchup, both put their POVS over well and in a way that doesn’t make you hate them for having a view you don’t share (well me anyway). I might ask them to join the Ram Inn

[Andy_Faber]

Hmmm, who’da thought?
Seems like a familiar ‘strategy’…

Backing off from pointless to and fro Seems to be what the forum (max and MA) recently) are looking for, so you may be out of step with sentiment. Would you like a sock?