O/T Jeremy corbyn

[EasyAndEarly]

On the Brexit issue! The more I hear Farage the more I trust him that he has the country's welfare front and centre. He isn't a career politician like others like 'The change party' - who are now realising their political posturing was ill thought out. Farage made an exit from Brexit when we - the more enlightened - voted leave. That was it leave. And get out of reach of the toxic EU.

It was only when the remainiacs in parliament shafted the peoples democratic decision that he got back on his horse - for Great Britain.

The Brexit party members (at £25 shot) joined the party - then the propaganda war started (remember the timing) to slur everything including funding - forgetting the cash for knighthood by both major parties.

Personally I think (on this subject) is the reincarnation of D-Day. We won the war (twice) and leaving - even with any deal and we will have LOST the peace.

Simply put I wouldn't trust any deal!

"The deal" pushed unashamedly by May was TOXIC BEYOND BELIEF. May is not on the side of Britain. She would be destined for traitors gate in the passed but the BBC and other media has never stated how poor that deal is and the fact it ain't even leaving!

This issue cuts across every social class - rich and poor - intellectuals and those of simpler aspersions. This is a point of solace for me as old money and power are truly split as well - you only have to listen to the Lords. Some sealy remaniacs and some true patriots supporting a Great Britain.

If they were not split this subject would have been dead and buried by now. But the powerful are fighting the powerful - that's the interesting bit to watch.

We have no power - but I would say to my fellow commoners vote leave and push for leave with no deal and take whatever pain is accrued because leaving is (as Farage says) is the biggest fight for the this country in 300 years. Cut all ties.

We will get a deal from that position trust me. The 5th largest economic power in the world - come on !

[ragingpup]

I have no doubt that there are extreme right wing people in the Brexit party as I also have no doubt there are in any other party in the UK but you cannot call the Brexit party as extreme right wing because of a small minority of people.

Don't doubt that Farage is extreme right?

How about his arging that employment law should be changed to allow British employers to discriminate in favour of UK workers and against Southern and Eastern migrant workers: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ip-policy.html

On Romanians: “I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be,” he told LBC radio during an interview.

On Germans: Asked whether he would also object to living next to German children, he said: “You know the difference.”

On immigrants in general making him very late for a meeting: “It took me six hours and 15 minutes to get here - it should have taken three-and-a-half to four,” he said. “That has nothing to do with professionalism, what it does have to do with is a country in which the population is going through the roof chiefly because of open-door immigration and the fact that the M4 is not as navigable as it used to be.”

On 'friendly' terms for the Chinese, defending one of Ukip’s candidates, who used the word “ch**ky” to describe a Chinese person, Mr Farage said “If you and your mates were going out for a Chinese, what do you say you're going for?" When he was told by the presented that he “honestly would not” use the slur, Mr Farage replied: “A lot would”.

Mr Farage has also previously said he felt uncomfortable when people spoke other language on a train.


So I would argue that by the general definition that I have put forward, Farage is no neo Nazi, by a long chalk, and such exaggerations aren't helpful, but for God's sake just admit that his politics are of the Far Right. Own that.

[Silly-miller]

Extreme right preoccupations revolve around the belief that your own country is superior in any way to others and that the presence of other nationalities or races in your own country, or intending to come to your own country, will in whatever way make your own country/race inferior.

I know a lot who voted for brexit but no one iv ever met has thought they were superior to anyone, they mostly bitch and moan about how companies bring in cheap labour from over seas. The issue isn’t on immigration isn’t the immigrants themselves but the companies who pay peanuts instead of giving pay rises. Call centres used to pay people £10-£14 per hour depending on the job but now it’s minimum wage. We all know at least 1 person who’s not had a pay rise hell I know loads who are struggling. Then there’s health insurance issues.

We have this habit of doing nothing because doing something would set a certain faction off on a tangent, but people are now generally thinking I don’t give a dam anymore what’s PC and this Has lead to some extremist right wing fruit loops doing awful things. Look at tommy Robinson do you think he would have any following if police hadn’t been afraid of being called racist? I doubt it

(Evil wins when the good do nothing)

And unfortunately that’s what’s happened to our country and I doubt Corbyn would help matters

[EasyAndEarly]

If you were losing a fight that you had to win and your so called friends were nowhere to be seen - the person that came to your aid (no matter what colour or creed) is your hero.

The propaganda against him is so prevalent that DYOR is difficult as it is JC.

It's a case of understanding the propaganda against him - the bias interviews against him and his answers - his speeches ring of honesty (on Brexit).

I don't see passed 'Brexit' in the case of Farage. He is Mr Brexit. He came back to face the barrage of insults FOR ME! No one else is saying what I believe to be true.

Once Brexit is over (if ever) his natural alliances will be of great concern to me but as they say: "Any enemy of my enemy is my friend". For now - he's the man.

The rest of parliament have been placed under a microscope and found wanting - barring a few with principles. Sadly the best speeches (on Brexit) have been tory speeches - highlighting the reasons "the deal" was toxic. May's insistence on pushing that agenda will in the years to come will be discredited and the deals toxicity will be explained. That information isn't easy to find due the the level of control by EU over GB already. The EU is a cancer that will eventually kill GB - it needs to be removed ASAP.

[Shark27]

I think there is a shift to what is considered extreme right in politics. Extreme Right in the 30s was to the right of Imperial Britain (who headed up an Empire that inflicted gross atrocities to indiginous people around the world with its agenda to create single race societies). Modern Tories are liberal by those standards.

Id consider Farage extreme right by modern standards. But, he heads up the Brexit party which has no stated policy. If you voted for them you have no way of knowing where its positioned politically. If you use Farage views as its political standard, Id say its extreme right.

You think there is a shift? You certainly are trying to create one.

Extreme means extreme. Like I say when I was at school I was taught that Hitler was extreme right wing.

I just had a look on Google at extreme right wing and it mainly describes the far right like BNP. It says that Farage and Nuttall disassociated themselves with UKIP when Batten became leader.

I would say that extreme right is worse than far right. If you are saying that you think Farage is worse than Nick Griffin then I would say you are wrong.

If you think that people who are concerned about immigration, who have also said they would like immigration to continue, are extreme then I would say you are wrong.

What would you call Hitler now then?

[BigLadonOS]

Don't doubt that Farage is extreme right?

How about his arging that employment law should be changed to allow British employers to discriminate in favour of UK workers and against Southern and Eastern migrant workers: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ip-policy.html

On Romanians: “I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be,” he told LBC radio during an interview.

On Germans: Asked whether he would also object to living next to German children, he said: “You know the difference.”

On immigrants in general making him very late for a meeting: “It took me six hours and 15 minutes to get here - it should have taken three-and-a-half to four,” he said. “That has nothing to do with professionalism, what it does have to do with is a country in which the population is going through the roof chiefly because of open-door immigration and the fact that the M4 is not as navigable as it used to be.”

On 'friendly' terms for the Chinese, defending one of Ukip’s candidates, who used the word “ch**ky” to describe a Chinese person, Mr Farage said “If you and your mates were going out for a Chinese, what do you say you're going for?" When he was told by the presented that he “honestly would not” use the slur, Mr Farage replied: “A lot would”.

Mr Farage has also previously said he felt uncomfortable when people spoke other language on a train.


So I would argue that by the general definition that I have put forward, Farage is no neo Nazi, by a long chalk, and such exaggerations aren't helpful, but for God's sake just admit that his politics are of the Far Right. Own that.

Thats the best you can do and you see that as enough to brand him far right? Do me a favour!!!

[ragingpup]

Thats the best you can do and you see that as enough to brand him far right? Do me a favour!!!

I said far right. Like my mum. Extreme right I think it's more neo nazi.

How would you term Farage based on those quotes? They look to be extremely disparaging of foreign groups wouldn't you say? If you were respectable tax paying Romanian /German/Chinese New would you like to be talked about in this way? Would you call it liberal? Centre right like May? Right wing like Mogg?

Is say he goes beyond the genuine concern of exploitation of cheap labour or social integration into displaying a genuine suspicion or dislike of at least some foreign groups. And his politics are largely motivated by this dislike. He's far right mate. I'm not saying you are, this is just a discussion of Farage.

[howdydoo]

Don't doubt that Farage is extreme right

[Silly-miller]

Thats the best you can do and you see that as enough to brand him far right? Do me a favour!!!

Careful mate he may get a milkshake

Honestly pup none of that is far right if you want to know what I call far right look at tommy Robinson.

This is precisely my point pup people expressing concerns over the problems in today’s society caused by freedom of movement and lack of security and exploitation that companies do, are persecuted and called far right but if you ask them if they should stop all immigration or ban a religion they will say no (unless they are Tommy Robinson)

I feel uncomfortable with people whispering and standing behind me does that make me an extremist?

[WanChaiMiller]

You think there is a shift? You certainly are trying to create one.

Extreme means extreme. Like I say when I was at school I was taught that Hitler was extreme right wing.

I just had a look on Google at extreme right wing and it mainly describes the far right like BNP. It says that Farage and Nuttall disassociated themselves with UKIP when Batten became leader.

I would say that extreme right is worse than far right. If you are saying that you think Farage is worse than Nick Griffin then I would say you are wrong.

If you think that people who are concerned about immigration, who have also said they would like immigration to continue, are extreme then I would say you are wrong.

What would you call Hitler now then?

You asked for my opinion. I gave it. End of.