O/T Boris moved to intensive care

[animallittle3]

He's given the most generous support package to the people in my lifetime . Possibly in the entire history of UK politics. Struggling to fathom why you think he's done nothing for you and me.
No ifs no buts, done.

Your politics are like my support of the Millers. I never accept criticism from any other fans although I do admit occasionally we could have done better and chosen a different option.
But that's as much as they'll ever get from me.
I know RUFC are rubbish in the grand scheme of things and will be for a long time but regardless of that I'm very protective of my club. You appear to be the same with Labour. Fair enough, I've made that choice with my footer team too.

He's trying to save capitalism not promote socialism .

The whole country would collapse if they hadn't have done .

Same as Brown and Darling did following the financial collapse in 2008 .

The big question isn't what they've done but rather who pays the bill for all these measures down the road .

Some of us ?

All of us ?

That is how this government will be judged or should I say should be judged .

[mikemiller]

He's trying to save capitalism not promote socialism .

The whole country would collapse if they hadn't have done .

Same as Brown and Darling did following the financial collapse in 2008 .

The big question isn't what they've done but rather who pays the bill for all these measures down the road .

Some of us ?

All of us ?

That is how this government will be judged or should I say should be judged .

I make that about right, Animal. Financially, the leaders of the big economies have all done roughly the same thing. Even President Fakenews has intervened financially to try to to save the USA economy, despite hating any increase in public spending. What Boris and Fakenews haven't been very good at is intervening in the medical part of the problem, compared with Germany, Japan, etc.

[flourbasher]

He's trying to save capitalism not promote socialism .

The whole country would collapse if they hadn't have done .

Same as Brown and Darling did following the financial collapse in 2008 .

The big question isn't what they've done but rather who pays the bill for all these measures down the road .

Some of us ?

All of us ?

That is how this government will be judged or should I say should be judged .

He certainly needed to do something but the support he's provided is vast and far reaching.
He could have scaled it back perhaps by offering interest free loans to businesses or applying means testing (Tottenham Hotspur , I'm now talking about you).
He could have said the support package is free for the first month but anything after that is a loan.

But he hasn't and it's very generous.

In answer to who will pay I suspect it will be the next generations to come similar to the war loans from the USA.
So ironically any babies born during this pandemic will be making contributions in their future working careers to pay for it.

[animallittle3]

There’s some bitter and twisted idiots in there with a spread of racist and bigots....another step backwards for labour

If Jeremy Corbyn (god forbid) had coved 19, I would wish him a speedy recovery and clap my heart out for him...I suppose it’s a case of how you were brought up by your parents

Not quite as idiotic as lending huge sums of money to people who have a poor record of paying it back ......... drrrrrrrrrrr !!!!

Anybody you know that stupid ??

[caytonmiller]

I dare one of you to post a reply without having a dig or post something creative. Go on I dare you

[animallittle3]

HI John. I hope that you are keeping well.

I think that the issue may be that I actually give a **** about the Labour Party and a leftist party that is worth voting for.

When I’m reduced to the level of raging, who thinks that I should celebrate that Starmer has only managed to include one representative of the idiot Left into his cabinet (he clearly hasn’t checked out Afzal Khan – Shadow Deputy Leader of the Commons), I’m sure that I will sign up for membership and join in the chorus of making excuses for a party that ought to be at the forefront of confronting prejudice and promoting equality, but spends a good deal of time doing exactly the opposite.

I want an alternative to an untrustworthy liar of a PM. I think I was one of many people who wanted one on December 12th. I suspect that I am not alone in being disappointed by Starmer too.

The way I see it is that if you put this in footballing terms the Labour Party have just fallen from the heights of the PL and just got relegated from the championship with a record low points total .

Keir Starmer is the new Head Coach hired to take the party back to the PL .

The owner and CEO have given him a 4 year contract and have promised to give him the length of that contract to deliver PL football .

He's walked in to a mess in his first pre season and he's made changes to improve the quality of the squad .

It's early days but its a marathon not a sprint , mistakes will be made with the squad but some cream will come to the top as well .

I'd expect the squad to be up to PL standard around 12 to 18 months before the next election and there will be successors and bumps in the road to come but as long as we have the right quality in when it really matters the most in 3 years time we can live with it .

Sound like a plan ?

[CAMiller]

The way I see it is that if you put this in footballing terms the Labour Party have just fallen from the heights of the PL and just got relegated from the championship with a record low points total .

Keir Starmer is the new Head Coach hired to take the party back to the PL .

The owner and CEO have given him a 4 year contract and have promised to give him the length of that contract to deliver PL football .

He's walked in to a mess in his first pre season and he's made changes to improve the quality of the squad .

It's early days but its a marathon not a sprint , mistakes will be made with the squad but some cream will come to the top as well .

I'd expect the squad to be up to PL standard around 12 to 18 months before the next election and there will be successors and bumps in the road to come but as long as we have the right quality in when it really matters the most in 3 years time we can live with it .

Sound like a plan ?

Sounds like Alan Stubbs' plan for the Millers. Hope Kenny Jackett is waiting in the wings to bail them out

[KerrAvon]

The way I see it is that if you put this in footballing terms the Labour Party have just fallen from the heights of the PL and just got relegated from the championship with a record low points total .

Keir Starmer is the new Head Coach hired to take the party back to the PL .

The owner and CEO have given him a 4 year contract and have promised to give him the length of that contract to deliver PL football .

He's walked in to a mess in his first pre season and he's made changes to improve the quality of the squad .

It's early days but its a marathon not a sprint , mistakes will be made with the squad but some cream will come to the top as well .

I'd expect the squad to be up to PL standard around 12 to 18 months before the next election and there will be successors and bumps in the road to come but as long as we have the right quality in when it really matters the most in 3 years time we can live with it .

Sound like a plan ?

I don't buy that. When a new manager moves into a club, he will be largely stuck with the squad that he inherits as it takes time to move contracted players out. Starmer had a clean piece of paper when he started to assemble his shadow cabinet; he didn't have to appoint Naz Sha, Afzal Khan or any other member of the 'I didn't read it before I tweeted it' brigade.

Starmer had the opportunity to end the nonsense, draw a line under the insanity of the last few years and return the Labour Party to a point where it is functioning opposition and fit for government. It’s clear that his desire for ‘unity’ has trumped that. I wonder how many people would have voted for him if he had been clear that he included anti-Semites and nut jobs amongst those he wanted unity with?

[mikemiller]

I don't buy that. When a new manager moves into a club, he will be largely stuck with the squad that he inherits as it takes time to move contracted players out. Starmer had a clean piece of paper when he started to assemble his shadow cabinet; he didn't have to appoint Naz Sha, Afzal Khan or any other member of the 'I didn't read it before I tweeted it' brigade.

Starmer had the opportunity to end the nonsense, draw a line under the insanity of the last few years and return the Labour Party to a point where it is functioning opposition and fit for government. It’s clear that his desire for ‘unity’ has trumped that. I wonder how many people would have voted for him if he had been clear that he included anti-Semites and nut jobs amongst those he wanted unity with?

You are the "nut job", and someone who is uncritical of the Tory party and who will not voting Labour anyway. Rather obsessed for a "neutral", don't you think?

[KerrAvon]

You are the "nut job", and someone who is uncritical of the Tory party and who will not voting Labour anyway. Rather obsessed for a "neutral", don't you think?

I have voted in every General Election since 1983 and have never voted Tory in one. I've not counted, but think that I have voted Labour more times than for any other party. I understand that you find this hard to grasp.

I simply don’t buy into the ‘I tweeted it without reading it’ mantras that are trotted out and swallowed up by eager Labour Party acolytes. I’m fed up of reading posts one here and elsewhere in which those same party activists ‘explain’ what Labour politicians ‘actually’ meant when they said various things. The Corbyn era has turned Labour into a nasty, bigoted outfit that is filled with class warriors and obsessed with identity politics. That's the point, I'm making - I want Labour to become a realistic voting option again. You might be able to excuse or turn a blind eye to the unpalatable nature of the truth, but I can’t and won’t. December 12th demonstrated – for those who need it to be demonstrated - that this country needs and deserves better than the choice that was on offer.

As for me being neutral, I offered you a challenge yesterday; show me where I have claimed to be neutral and I won’t post again. All you have to do is is apologise if you can’t find me making such a comment.