Takeover back on

[Zippity]

For me, it's twist rather than stick although 'rather than' gives the wrong impression as I don't think we've got a choice.

Under Ashley we will never progress. He's not interested in moving the club forward, he's only interested in gambling on our survival. relegated twice in 10 years and coming close on a number of other occasions and it'll catch up with us again sooner rather than later. Rafa getting a tune out of these players is a remarkable achievement-a Hughes/Pardew/Lambert/McClaren etc would have them bottom-but I think he'll be off if Ashley stays.

If we want even a chance of progressing he has to go.

[pboromag]

for me, it's twist rather than stick although 'rather than' gives the wrong impression as i don't think we've got a choice.

Under ashley we will never progress. He's not interested in moving the club forward, he's only interested in gambling on our survival. Relegated twice in 10 years and coming close on a number of other occasions and it'll catch up with us again sooner rather than later. Rafa getting a tune out of these players is a remarkable achievement-a hughes/pardew/lambert/mcclaren etc would have them bottom-but i think he'll be off if ashley stays.

If we want even a chance of progressing he has to go.

your wrong about the players
heres my reasoning be hind that
rafa had most these players and took us down
why because he pplayed negative defensive footy ,which when you needed points as we did we needed to be more positive .under him then we werent

i still think that if rafa hadnt been more positive like he is now we would have gonde down

my point being these lads played to their stregnths are a top 10-12 team at least .not fizzy as some would say

we kept saying pardew pardewed them
so basically we were saying they are better than he is making them

but under rafa untill recently they were as good as when pardew managed them

it is only the fact that rafa has eventually realsised this and played to their strengths that he is getting a tune from them .

We have some good players and the rest are average prem players

they arent fizzy players
as they walked that league and have deserved the right to be called prem players

especially by their own fans

[ghostrider]

It is possible that we could get a worse or the same type of owner as Ashley.
I just hope that there has been enough publicity around our situation to warn off any such owner. This is maybe why there isn’t a queue of buyers lined up.
If it was just a matter of running a business and making a profit then It would be easy (Ash has done that). Running a PL club to be succesful requires large investment and high risk, and the importance of Rafa being here for this to work out well cannot be underestimated.

I wonder if Stavley is regretting not taking the plunge 6 months ago?

What is a successful club to you?
Or we'll put it another way. What would be successful for you if new owners come in, bearing in mind it's Newcastle United against the chosen few...or the elite?

Just to expand on what I'm saying. How much spend and wage structure would the new owners need to up for your term of success?

[Sclox]

Why does anyone think a new owner will be better than ash ??

In only maybe 2-3 cases has this been the case

i am sure there a re a lot more clubs who have cried out for a takeover and get rid of the owner to only get someone worse

in fact i will throw a figure of over 90% of takeovers havent produced what the fans thought

there were a few on here not long back stating that southampton had been taken over debt cleared etc

looks like they are going down
crown jewels sold
leeds
sheffield clubs
jack walkers club
coventry
villa
cardiff
many many manay more

the chicken farmers
blackpool
black burn
hicks a gillett liverpool
the three russiand who took over portsmouth
gold and sullivan
the palace lads
kapland and his cronies at swansea
mashiri at everton hasnt delivered what the toffees thought they were getting
the west brom owners have run out of money

you could count on one hand i would think the clubs whos new owners have gone in and improved mid to long term

I'm not sure what research brought you to 90%, but it pains me to say I agree with the sentiment - new owners don't necessarily mean change for the better.....but I'm willing to chance it in our case. We aren't going anywhere under FMA as the great man said 10 years ago. There will be no change of heart, the ship has sailed and its his loss - he could have been a legend.

I wont believe in a takeover until I see Staveley standing at SJP with a shirt....preferably a wet one with her wearing it.

[Jammy89]

Rafa was the manager when we went down.

He didn't take us down.

That was down to Schteve and Schteve alone.

[pboromag]

Rafa was the manager when we went down.

He didn't take us down.

That was down to Schteve and Schteve alone.

nope he took us down

he had 8 games to get us into safety
he should have played positive footy
but hey ho it was a great season in the fizzy
with our prem players out performing their fizzy counter arts

[Jammy89]

nope he took us down

he had 8 games to get us into safety
he should have played positive footy
but hey ho it was a great season in the fizzy
with our prem players out performing their fizzy counter arts

I agree he was the manager when we went down but he didn't take us down, the damage was long done.

He had 8 games to save - agreed.

He should of had 10/11 if we'd of got rid of Schteve like we all said. Then he would of saved us, our form showed that, had we played anybody but Leicester in his first game i think we'd of got something, as it was we almost did.

It's a bit of a moot point thought really Pboro because you'll never give him in credit for anything regardless.

So we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

[toptoon]

nope he took us down

he had 8 games to get us into safety
he should have played positive footy
but hey ho it was a great season in the fizzy
with our prem players out performing their fizzy counter arts

When we were in the Fizzy, you constantly called our players sh*t (most notably; Shelvey). What´s made you change your mind or do you think they have developed?

[AP69]

You might have to find the thread where he said that

Just to prove it....

[Southerntoon75]

You might have to find the thread where he said that

Just to prove it....

That would take months trawling through the constant ****e he types