O/T Well it looks like White Lives don't matter.

[animallittle3]

Interesting you blame the government, I left the steelworks at 23 as this wasnt the high paid navanah you describe.

I know many people who left the steelworks and the Mines and did well for themselves in a multitude of different fields, the poverty trap you describe isnt real. As Yak says there are opportunities if you are prepared to work hard and take a few knocks along the way.

I left the mining industry in 1987 of my own accord and after my old man gave me the best piece of advice he ever gave me .

" Get out now lad whilst tha not competing with thousands more for the few jobs there will be , get a head start "

Initially I got a job on less money but found another one 12 months later that paid reasonably well .

Without that advice I could have stayed in the industry till the bitter end in 1993 , picked my brass up and then see it dwindle away to nowt because in 90's South Yorkshire there was feck all going jobs wise , things could have been very different .

I was lucky to get that advice and although I've been made redundant a few times since I've managed to have a reasonable financial life , not loaded , steady but I've put the hours in too , 12 hour shifts , weekends , you name it .

Things like that can make a huge difference going forward in life .

Everyone at some point needs to catch a wave and some posters on here aren't prepared to look much past the wave they caught , nobody's is disputing how hard anyone's grafted .

The lack of investment in areas like South Yorkshire should shame both sides of the political divide because they didn't give a shyte and I do mean both sides of the divide .

The more you invest in areas like this the more you increase the chances of people catching the wave .

It really is that simple , no self pity , no Citizen Smith just a reasonable analysis on reality .

[gm_gm]

I left the mining industry in 1987 of my own accord and after my old man gave me the best piece of advice he ever gave me .

" Get out now lad whilst tha not competing with thousands more for the few jobs there will be , get a head start "

Initially I got a job on less money but found another one 12 months later that paid reasonably well .

Without that advice I could have stayed in the industry till the bitter end in 1993 , picked my brass up and then see it dwindle away to nowt because in 90's South Yorkshire there was feck all going jobs wise , things could have been very different .

I was lucky to get that advice and although I've been made redundant a few times since I've managed to have a reasonable financial life , not loaded , steady but I've put the hours in too , 12 hour shifts , weekends , you name it .

Things like that can make a huge difference going forward in life .

Everyone at some point needs to catch a wave and some posters on here aren't prepared to look much past the wave they caught , nobody's is disputing how hard anyone's grafted .

The lack of investment in areas like South Yorkshire should shame both sides of the political divide because they didn't give a shyte and I do mean both sides of the divide .

The more you invest in areas like this the more you increase the chances of people catching the wave .

It really is that simple , no self pity , no Citizen Smith just a reasonable analysis on reality .

Great post Animal

[howdydoo]

I'd tax the billionaires more, close the tax loopholes, and criminalise hiding profits overseas for business done in this country.

I'd invest funds in the grassroots level in creating opportunities to help level the playing field.

I’d do that too.

Never said anything to contradict that.

[John2]

I’d do that too.

Never said anything to contradict that.

I'm confused. I was replying to Shark27

[howdydoo]

Nowt clever about it , they were your words not mine .

Spend less time on here and help your own a bit more. Sounds like they need it. Your words, not mine.

[howdydoo]

[QUOTE=John2;39520811]*Facepalm*

My entire argument is that the fact there are exceptions, myself included, doesn't mean the rule isn't true.

A big problem society has is perceiving the 'skill' to work hard as some magical thing that those deserving are born with, and those who are not deserving are not.

The reality is, hard work and even aspiration and ambition are skills that need to be taught by those lucky enough to have acquired those skills themselves.

It is an indisputatable fact that a child born and going to Clifton school in Rotherham is going to have massively poorer life prospects than a child born in the wealthy Clifton area of prosperous Bristol.

The parents aren't biologically 'superior', they just happen to have been born in a 'haves' part of the country than a 'have-nots' part.

Its staggering to see people try and argue the class system we have is fair. Its not. The people of Rotherham are just as capable at birth of hard work, and high professional and academic attainment as any other human on the planet. Until the people of Rotherham are achieving this we should be fighting to fix this inequality, not accepting our lot as though we are somehow undeserving.[/QUOT

[animallittle3]

Spend less time on here and help your own a bit more. Sounds like they need it. Your words, not mine.

I have helped people , nobody has to be a union rep and it's a thankless task I can tell you at times .

I did it because I wanted to and did have a genuine interest in it .

I helped start a jobs club when my place of work shut its doors in the late 90's and when the internet wasn't like it is today , got someone in to help us do CVs and interview training that sort of thing .

I could have fecked everyone off and looked after number one entirely .

Not earth shattering but I've done my bit from time to time .

I get one vote at the GE same as thee , it's hardly likely to have any earth shattering economic changes .

Any chance you might want to play the ball and not the man on this thread ? .

[animallittle3]

Labour tried to tax the rich more in 70’s lots of rich left the country, ended up with less tax revenue.
Take their passports off them at the same time and it might work, just don’t let them get wind of it.

Even a bit of a leftie like myself couldn't put his name to that mate .

Tha an inch from communism .

[animallittle3]

Don't think your beloved Johnson sees it that way.....................unless he's lying of course

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4KvGpQk8ik

It wasn't really austerity lol

Well not for him and his tribe it wasn't .

He might want to ask those in the NHS who saved his life about austerity .

So now he's Roosevelt , what happened to the Churchill hat ?

Next week it could be JFK .... who knows , mind you with his private life that chimes I'll give him that .

Does he actually know that FDR ain't exactly the most celebrated US President ? .

The last time a Tory PM pyssed such a lead away in the opinion polls so soon they got annihilated at the next GE .

I'll give him his due just to end on , he's looking to spend brass in much needed areas , I'll say that , whether the donors and the 1922 Committee back him is another matter altogether .

Fall foul of those two and a look at the polls he'll be gone within 12 months and his magic money tree with it .

[great_fire]

It wasn't austerity like Greece had austerity, or Britain in the 40s and 50s, with rationing.

It's a bit like how poverty seems to be defined as not having the latest model iPhone and an LED TV instead of OLED.

My grandparents had an outdoor toilet, a tin bath, no fridge, a mangle instead of a washing machine, no central heating, no double glazing, it's not really comparable.