What the game showed me today....like I didn;t allready know

[laddo]

Good to hear there was more than just the two suggested reasons. The manager made mistakes no doubt but too many players didn't perform anywhere near as well as they can do and lost too many individual battles. This seems to be conveniently forgotten from that disappointing day at Wembley.

[calmpie]

Our Danish owners strike me as thoughtful not reactionary. There is zero chance NA will get the sack before the Summer (imo) - and if he fails to achieve promotion I suspect NA will 'agree to leave' (a bit like he did at Wimbledon previously).

Because our financial budget will change alot next summer (no more parachute payments) and plenty of players are out of contract that seems the ideal time fo rour Danish owners to get someone in who can prepare for the new reality.

[Notts78]

Our Danish owners strike me as thoughtful not reactionary. There is zero chance NA will get the sack before the Summer (imo) - and if he fails to achieve promotion I suspect NA will 'agree to leave' (a bit like he did at Wimbledon previously).

Because our financial budget will change alot next summer (no more parachute payments) and plenty of players are out of contract that seems the ideal time fo rour Danish owners to get someone in who can prepare for the new reality.

I agree.

I don’t see the point in wasting money sacking the manager and invariably his support staff, bringing in a new management team at whatever cost where there is no further guarantees of achieving promotion.
I urge any who thinks differently to contact the owners and offer to cover this cost with the provision that they get there money back if we are promoted.
Given that some on here believe Ardley to be on north of 100k per year, then that’s an initial outlay of 50k plus on one person to take a risk on the next man achieving promotion.

[laddo]

Echo those thoughts. Makes no financial sense to sack the manager now, plus I don't believe the club's performances warrant another managerial sacking midway through a season.

As we have witnessed the financial cost of changing managers is rarely acknowledged on here, because where is the fun of bringing financial reality into things?

[magpie_mania]

That's what I have been saying for ages, if our owners decide that a change is required I hope that they do as our neighbours did ( both Forest & Stags imo) & approach a "better" candidate before they pull the trigger. If they, like our previous owners, go down the route of asking for applicants with no idea who might apply, holding interviews, making shortlists & then picking from a bad bunch I honestly fear the worst. I know that some on here would argue that we couldn't get any worse but I believe that we were struggling to get decent applicants when we were in the league (especially with our hire em & fire em reputation) & see no reason why things will be improved by our current status. COYP

The only way would be by approaching a manager already in post. I don't buy the 'managers won't apply because of our history of sacking managers / owners' argument - I reckon just about every manager out of work (obviously not the championship / Prem managers) and others in post will apply for every job going.

[ancientpie]

The only way would be by approaching a manager already in post. I don't buy the 'managers won't apply because of our history of sacking managers / owners' argument - I reckon just about every manager out of work (obviously not the championship / Prem managers) and others in post will apply for every job going.

So what's gone wrong with our last god knows how many appointments? is it a case of owners deliberately appointing "bad" managers or a case of the applicants not being of a high enough standard? why was Ardley appointed if he didn't have the best pedigree on offer? if every out of work manager has applied in the past they must have been queuing around the ground & our previous owners must have had a very warped sense of humour.

[magpie_mania]

Depends on the criteria set I suppose.

Wasn't Hardy's that the new manager must have experience of promotion from L2? That would rule out a lot of applicants, and NA fitted it, along with experience of management in L1.

I'm sure that no-one deliberately appointed a bad manager - not even when Fullarton was appointed. RT seemed to believe in trying managers that were 'left-field' - eg Short, Kiwomya, Fullarton, Moniz, but as a businessman I'm sure he did not deliberately do it to upset supporters.

Anyway, until it's clear (by league position this season alone) that we aren't going up, the conversation doesn't need to be had (imo of course).

[MAD_MAGPIE]

I agree.

I don’t see the point in wasting money sacking the manager and invariably his support staff, bringing in a new management team at whatever cost where there is no further guarantees of achieving promotion.
I urge any who thinks differently to contact the owners and offer to cover this cost with the provision that they get there money back if we are promoted.
Given that some on here believe Ardley to be on north of 100k per year, then that’s an initial outlay of 50k plus on one person to take a risk on the next man achieving promotion.

I also think that we could end up with a similar scenario to when Keith Curle was sacked in that it could cause far more disruption because apart from Enzio all the players have been brought in by Neal Ardley. A lot of them speak quite highly of him in interviews and he seems a respected figure in football. Who remembers the likes of Bishop and Judge speaking out about "a few people on a messageboard" when Curle got sacked?

I could imagine history repeating itself with the likes of Doyle, JOB and Reeves and a subsequent slump as a result.

We have to remember what the world is like at the moment. We are in a pandemic, fans can't attend games, clubs incomes are reduced. Games are being postponed left right and centre interfering on training and preparations for games. We still have no idea if the season will end. There is a lot of instability and disruption out there already and clubs are having to carefully manage their finances. It does make this season essentially a free hit for a lot of managers compared to a typical season.

I don't think it's worth sacking the manager now mid season in an attempt to try and catch Torquay or to try and get the 20 wins from 30 games needed to be within a shout of winning the title. It's too much of reactionary approach based on this season alone and is what many former owners are guilty of. The time to reflect and review the managers entire tenure as a whole and his future is when this season is concluded and we know the outcome and his contract expires in my opinion.

We've also got to take into consideration the players who are unavailable that could not have been foreseen. The likes of Thomas and Roberts leaves our starting 11 weaker in my opinion. The manager can't be blamed for that as that is part and parcel of football. With those two back and a couple of signings in January like a National League equivalent of a Lee Hughes and Luke Rogers for example that would be a better way to spend any money as then we could be a serious force for the remainder of the season and beyond.

[nw6pie]

Echo those thoughts. Makes no financial sense to sack the manager now, plus I don't believe the club's performances warrant another managerial sacking midway through a season.

As we have witnessed the financial cost of changing managers is rarely acknowledged on here, because where is the fun of bringing financial reality into things?

We also need to weigh in the fact that no league sides came down this season, so in theory it was an “easier” league this time around and it will be even more competitive next season when we don’t have the parachute payment. An investment now (either in a new manager or new players) could pay off come June, provided the right choices are made (and there’s the tricky bit).

With nearly a third of the season gone, it seems clear based on those 5 defeats that we’re not championship-winning material, and will need to improve to finish second or third.

Four of our next five games are away - with Torquay the home game - so January is a tough-looking month (plus Stockport away in the FA Trophy). Last season we brought in Cal Roberts at this time of the year; can we do likewise this season?

Priority for me is a powerful box-to-box midfielder and to rethink the formation so we can dominate teams for 90 minutes instead of 45. Obviously, we also desperately need a fit Cal Roberts back.

[durhampie]

We also need to weigh in the fact that no league sides came down this season, so in theory it was an “easier” league this time around and it will be even more competitive next season when we don’t have the parachute payment. An investment now (either in a new manager or new players) could pay off come June, provided the right choices are made (and there’s the tricky bit).

With nearly a third of the season gone, it seems clear based on those 5 defeats that we’re not championship-winning material, and will need to improve to finish second or third.

Four of our next five games are away - with Torquay the home game - so January is a tough-looking month (plus Stockport away in the FA Trophy). Last season we brought in Cal Roberts at this time of the year; can we do likewise this season?

Priority for me is a powerful box-to-box midfielder and to rethink the formation so we can dominate teams for 90 minutes instead of 45. Obviously, we also desperately need a fit Cal Roberts back.

We will be lucky to 6 points from the next 5 games...