Those of you who had Covid....

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Go and read the recent EMA report dated 11 August 2021 which sets out the side effects including deaths of mRNA vaccines - yes it says on balance the risks are outweighed by the rewards but acknowledges a number of risks - they have also requested further data from two companies.

Hence there are risks.

Go look up Dr Robert Malone who speaks out against the suppression and concealment of debate amongst the scientific and broader community. He invented mRNA technology so believes in the tech but is concerned that risks for the CVD 19 vaccines are not being properly acknowledged and debated. All he is advocating is data based decision making and discussion as opposed to disinformation from regulators and government.

Nudge theory is getting out of control.

He is a supporter of vaccines but making the case for debating openly risks and that it is healthy to be looking for them. He wants to avoid emperors new clothes syndrome where no adverse effects can be acknowledged.

[WTF11]

Go and read the recent EMA report dated 11 August 2021 which sets out the side effects including deaths of mRNA vaccines - yes it says on balance the risks are outweighed by the rewards but acknowledges a number of risks - they have also requested further data from two companies.

Hence there are risks.

Go look up Dr Robert Malone who speaks out against the suppression and concealment of debate amongst the scientific and broader community. He invented mRNA technology so believes in the tech but is concerned that risks for the CVD 19 vaccines are not being properly acknowledged and debated. All he is advocating is data based decision making and discussion as opposed to disinformation from regulators and government.

Nudge theory is getting out of control.

He is a supporter of vaccines but making the case for debating openly risks and that it is healthy to be looking for them. He wants to avoid emperors new clothes syndrome where no adverse effects can be acknowledged.

I never suggested there weren't risks, but vaccines and their mass application are the only way out of using masks and gloves, and lockdowns, and isolation, and all the human suffering and desolation that goes with those things, despite the risks.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

I never suggested there weren't risks, but vaccines and their mass application are the only way out of using masks and gloves, and lockdowns, and isolation, and all the human suffering and desolation that goes with those things, despite the risks.

Why on earth are you arguing and being difficult then - oh because that’s what you do!

[ozleeds]

I never suggested there weren't risks, but vaccines and their mass application are the only way out of using masks and gloves, and lockdowns, and isolation, and all the human suffering and desolation that goes with those things, despite the risks.

Vaccines won't stop the virus so where do you get the idea of no masks. Even the lying pollies here have said masks will be here for years and we better get used to them.
Vaccines are to reduce the effect of the virus and they are not even sure how long the injection will last. People with full vaccination can still get the virus and pass it on.

[Ozwhites]

Vaccines won't stop the virus so where do you get the idea of no masks. Even the lying pollies here have said masks will be here for years and we better get used to them.
Vaccines are to reduce the effect of the virus and they are not even sure how long the injection will last. People with full vaccination can still get the virus and pass it on.

Very true. You can still get the virus after jabs. But the vaccines will still reduce the amount of transfer between numbers. Surely that is in our best interest with reducing the spread? 😮

[WTF11]

Vaccines won't stop the virus so where do you get the idea of no masks. Even the lying pollies here have said masks will be here for years and we better get used to them.
Vaccines are to reduce the effect of the virus and they are not even sure how long the injection will last. People with full vaccination can still get the virus and pass it on.

We live with bacterial and viral infections all the time and we build immunity via recovery from infection and vaccination, which as you rightly state reduce the effect of those infections.

Unlike Australia and New Zealand where vaccination has been slow and focus has been on containment, there are new lockdowns (statewide and/or national) almost weekly. With the population distribution and geography/topology initial efforts at containment may have made sense, but not once adequate numbers and quantities of vaccines became available. You are paying for the smug self-satisfaction that was generated by the success if those early, distinctly short-term gains.

Here with nearly 90% single and over 75% double vaccinated adults we have seen infection rates rise as almost all restrictions (including the general use of masks) have been lifted nationally but hospital admissions haven't followed as they did in the first two surges, neither thankfully have deaths. Will protection last forever? No. Does protection via the flu virus last forever? Equally no. Viruses mutate. I would rather live with a need for a regular vaccine booster than wearing masks

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

We live with bacterial and viral infections all the time and we build immunity via recovery from infection and vaccination, which as you rightly state reduce the effect of those infections.

Unlike Australia and New Zealand where vaccination has been slow and focus has been on containment, there are new lockdowns (statewide and/or national) almost weekly. With the population distribution and geography/topology initial efforts at containment may have made sense, but not once adequate numbers and quantities of vaccines became available. You are paying for the smug self-satisfaction that was generated by the success if those early, distinctly short-term gains.

Here with nearly 90% single and over 75% double vaccinated adults we have seen infection rates rise as almost all restrictions (including the general use of masks) have been lifted nationally but hospital admissions haven't followed as they did in the first two surges, neither thankfully have deaths. Will protection last forever? No. Does protection via the flu virus last forever? Equally no. Viruses mutate. I would rather live with a need for a regular vaccine booster than wearing masks

Suggest you look at the official stats and data - hospitalisation and death rates are rising despite high levels of vaccination and natural immunity - despite high levels of vaccination about 80% and natural immunity.

[WTF11]

Very true. You can still get the virus after jabs. But the vaccines will still reduce the amount of transfer between numbers. Surely that is in our best interest with reducing the spread? 😮

And reduce the effect if you do get infected.

[WTF11]

Why on earth are you arguing and being difficult then - oh because that’s what you do!

So, challenging your baseless assertions and demonstrating the inaccuracy of others is "being difficult"??? Some scientist you are.

[WTF11]

Suggest you look at the official stats and data - hospitalisation and death rates are rising despite high levels of vaccination and natural immunity - despite high levels of vaccination about 80% and natural immunity.

Read my post, I didn't say the rates weren't rising, I said they weren't following the trajectory of infection rates as they had previously, meaning the health service is unlikely to be overwhelmed and can continue to treat ALL patients, not just Covid-related matters.

I didn't think I would have to spell that out, but I failed to take account of your emerging excellence as provider of half truths and misinterpretation, Footymads answer to Laura ****ingDoomsberg.

Can't be bothered responding to any more of your contributions on this matter, you carry on (here and elsewhere I suspect), being a latter day Andrew Wakefield, and try and live comfortably (as I understand he does) with the consequences.