Seven Covid deaths

[Returnofrros]

I think that Boris would rather not be having to follow the science. Like you I think much of the early policies were designed to protect the Conservative Government from blame for their failure to follow through on their massive resilience exercise should a pandemic arise. We've been over this a few times and Save the NHS was really a way to divert attention away from the complete failure of our political elite to deal with something that they recognised as a problem and then did heehaw to fix it. Same with masks. Not needed at all for the General public. Desperately few masks available for the medical profession so divert everything towards Save NHS and another major issue is diffused. I admit I have been too optimistic about the integrity of the whole leadership from all organisations. I think that as the facts are uncovered the faith in those who have led us through this period will wither and voices, who are more in tune with your and Deeranged’s views, might get a chance to provide a different approach.
I don't think Scotland will change much while Nicola is SNP leader. The defeat of covid might be the crowning glory that would encourage Nicola to retire, so perhaps there will be a move away from her SNP. Germany looks really different now that Angela Merkel has gone. We might find a similar effect when Nicola hangs up her boots.

There was a pandemic response policy which had been in place for 15 years, this was abandoned to follow the sage scientists.

Can I ask you bcram why you would support more restrictions if we ever have a more dangerous strain when it's been proven beyond all reasonable doubt that restrictions only (at best) delay the inevitable

There's a saying in poker that I like "a chip and a chair" meaning if you have a chip and a place at the table you ain't beat and still have a chance .....no matter how slim.

I've nearly thrown the towel in a couple of times over this, it's scunnered me....but I ain't giving up my liberty...while I've still got a chip and a chair...they are going to have to take it.

[eric_sinclair]

They have misled from almost the start bcram.

England will not tolerate and Johnson WILL be toast very shortly as soon as they conservative party find a CONSERVATIVE leader and not a pseudo hen pecked socialist.

Scotland and Wales is a different matter however

Sturgeon will have to have these powers taken from her in March or she will continue to excercise them .

I know not all SNP voters are brainwashed some just see it as a means to an end and lend them their vote BUT a huge % of them are brainwashed I'm afraid and they will continue with the narrative of Nicola knows best Scotland's mammy.

We already live in the most authoritarian part of the Uk and people comply, they ain't gonna change.

Even the enquiry into the COVID response will be fixed to show lockdowns work but only if they are harder and longer

I don't see politicians up here turning, I don't see the general public turning....I do in England.

Oh and the next "variant of concern" around November 2022.....they will make sure it's as transmissible as omricon but more deadly ....set your watch by it.

I had a look at my vaccine certificate (my eyes only, not for barman, restaurant owner or bouncer consumption), runs out march 2022, booster number 2 in the spring then?

I doubt I will have another one, it's all rather pointless

Was there a reason why you got vaccinated?
They are using this new "variant" to get people vaccinated and "boosted" yet dont know if the vaccine works against this variant?
Go figure that ane oot.
I agree with you tho its not about the virus anymore.

[eric_sinclair]

My missus works in the care industry,some of the stories she tells me about the "rules" are quite basically unbelievable.
One wee snippet was a care worker who is taking patients to christmas dinner,seat and meal bought and paid for,been told no allowed to eat her meal.wtaf

[Returnofrros]

Was there a reason why you got vaccinated?
They are using this new "variant" to get people vaccinated and "boosted" yet dont know if the vaccine works against this variant?
Go figure that ane oot.
I agree with you tho its not about the virus anymore.

It was a 50/50 call for me, I was getting flu at same time and just went yes.

I'm pretty convinced number 4 ain't happening now.

Not much of a reason.

[Returnofrros]

My missus works in the care industry,some of the stories she tells me about the "rules" are quite basically unbelievable.
One wee snippet was a care worker who is taking patients to christmas dinner,seat and meal bought and paid for,been told no allowed to eat her meal.wtaf

Control, they now have people thinking wtf is normal.

Prime minister of Dublin has said the Irish will have to live with restrictions forever because of COVID......first one to break ranks and admit it.

[islaydarkblue]

Was there a reason why you got vaccinated?
They are using this new "variant" to get people vaccinated and "boosted" yet dont know if the vaccine works against this variant?
Go figure that ane oot.
I agree with you tho its not about the virus anymore.

The vaccine did not work against the Delta (Indian) variant because it was produced to deal with the original strain of the Covid-19 virus which came from China. Therefore in my opinion it is unlikely to work against the Omnicron variant.
Last night there was a report on the BBC news that some people in Israel are being given a fourth Covid-19 vaccination to protect them against the disease.
The way things are going peoples arms will be like pin cushions before the scientists, health experts and politicians finally admit that the current Covid-19 vaccines are no use in dealing with other strains of the Covid-19 virus apart from the Chinese strain.

[Deeranged]

The vaccine did not work against the Delta (Indian) variant because it was produced to deal with the original strain of the Covid-19 virus which came from China. Therefore in my opinion it is unlikely to work against the Omnicron variant.
Last night there was a report on the BBC news that some people in Israel are being given a fourth Covid-19 vaccination to protect them against the disease.
The way things are going peoples arms will be like pin cushions before the scientists, health experts and politicians finally admit that the current Covid-19 vaccines are no use in dealing with other strains of the Covid-19 virus apart from the Chinese strain.

I heard today that the vaccines are in fact quite effective in reducing the effects of the Delta and Omicron variants in the individual. Obviously when you're dealing with individuals there will be some that get ill despite the vaccine but in the vast majority of individuals it has proven to be effective - or at least not ineffective.

I just had a Teams meeting which included a guy who tested positive today and who has to go into self isolation - double jabbed (not boosted yet) with no symptoms, seems to have worked for him. Which swings us round to the big con - case numbers. They continue to sell a positive test as a case even where the individual shows no symptoms.

[BCram]

The vaccine did not work against the Delta (Indian) variant because it was produced to deal with the original strain of the Covid-19 virus which came from China. Therefore in my opinion it is unlikely to work against the Omnicron variant.
Last night there was a report on the BBC news that some people in Israel are being given a fourth Covid-19 vaccination to protect them against the disease.
The way things are going peoples arms will be like pin cushions before the scientists, health experts and politicians finally admit that the current Covid-19 vaccines are no use in dealing with other strains of the Covid-19 virus apart from the Chinese strain.

Sorry. I think the death numbers are absolute proof that the vaccines are working.

[Returnofrros]

Sorry. I think the death numbers are absolute proof that the vaccines are working.

While I think vaccinations do have an effect, numbers were falling before vaccinations.

[Deeranged]

While I think vaccinations do have an effect, numbers were falling before vaccinations.

Yeah but Omicron, lethal tsunami washing over the country etc.