Sack Jimmy Turnip

[blowupsheep]

Daves process isnt working.

Correct, spot on 100% it is not working and it won't work.
Have said it before and will say it again, Cormack, his ego and his alleged interference in footballing things is the biggest problem at our club. And it is evident time and time again and even more so in the current situation than it was during, Glass, Goodwin, Robson etc (warnock appointment was taking things too fkn far)
I tend to think that Thelin is a good manager and would be if he was left alone to run the footballing side of things the way he wants to.
But the same thing is happening over and over again and you don't need to be a rocket scientist to wrk out what the common denominating factor is in all this mess.
Cormack and his mates seriously need to get to fk.
Aye at times he talks a good "job" and fools us all at times, but in reality he is just an egomaniac pr1ck full of his own importance.

Sadly I have no idea what the answer is for the club, but one thing for sure it is not davie wanna be a yank cormack

[TheDeeDon]

I'm not going to get too carried away here and blame the players, Burrows, Cormack, Milne (hell yes) and Red John.
Of course, it will be Steven Gunn the administrator who will carry the can. He scouts, identifies, signs and picks the team and sets tactics.

I think the club are performing relatively well as a whole and still 100% a better club now that it ever was under Milne.

Last night and previous performances this season have to be on the manager.

You would expect too see a change in our set up to stop the rot, but no. A change out of players, but the tactics stay the same.
It's a lack of a plan b that has killed us all season.

I honestly don't think the players gave up last night. I just think our tactics give teams the freedom of the pitch to exploit us. The better the team, the more damage they will do. We know it was a Septic reserve team that was out last night, but most of those players would walk into any other team, including the hun.
We did show in periods we could hurt them, but they also showed they could pick us off when they wanted we did nothing to address that...again!

Go back to last season and the low of the Motherwell game where Shady Mo was right wing back. Warnock rightly got stick for that tactics, but he still switched it around and got us a draw and were unlucky not to sneak a win. We've come back from being behind this season, but we hardly ever look comfortable.

A lot of us have commented all season about a plan b from Jimmy and not once have we seen anything to suggest he has one. We made Forrest look like prime Ronaldo last night. James f*cking Forrest!!!

Can Jimmy come back from this. I doubt it. A parting of the ways might be the best thing after the cup final, but who knows. I certainly don't.

You could sense a definite change in mood at Pittodrie last night.

I am certainly not enjoying seeing this play out again.

[rico94]

It?s all very well trying to put all of the blame on the manager but last nights performance against Celtic isnt something thats just been happening this season.

We got rinsed 6-0 against them last season as well and it was all down to Barry Robson at the time.

Celtic games aside the players have looked like they have chucked it under every manager we have had in the last 5 years and that includes McInnes.

Of course Thelin needs to take a huge chunk of the blame for the teams performances this season because he is the manager.

But anyone who thinks that Cormack and his football monitoring board are completely blameless in this are kidding themselves on.

Thelins time at the club might be short lived but the next guy that comes in will not do any better under the current structure at the club.

[Mason89]

Why is Topi picking up their centre half at corners? Theyve either decided he was the best man for the job which is alarming, or they havent set up right in the first place. It?s so easy to fix. Were just handing them free goals and weve been doing it all season

Youre then asking the same players with zero confidence, to try and play football in their own half. Its ridiculously naive.

To stand any chance at all against these minks, you have to be disciplined, organised, mark people properly & get the ball up their end as quickly as possible. Pretty much everything we dont do

[swaddon2]

I'm just glad that nobody is blaming me for starting the match threads.

[TheDeeDon]

But anyone who thinks that Cormack and his football monitoring board are completely blameless in this are kidding themselves on.

Thelins time at the club might be short lived but the next guy that comes in will not do any better under the current structure at the club.

We wanted Cormack to appoint someone different last season and we got it with Thelin.
Don't think anyone was against it. I certainly wasn't.

He has been backed with signings, that no other manager has had since the early 90s.

I'd say Thelin has been left alone to do things his way, but his way is killing the team at the moment.
He should be experienced enough to see the areas on the park where we are being exploited, but doesn't change it time and time again.

There is no point arguing amongst ourselves about who is to blame, as I can only comment on what I see on the pitch and have no knowledge of what happens off the pitch.

What I see on the pitch is very worrying and I saw a dejected bunch of players in red jerseys last night and not sure Thelin can get anything more from them now.

I do hope I am wrong though and we somehow win our final two games.

[TheDeeDon]

I'm just glad that nobody is blaming me for starting the match threads.

We're having a meeting on your future arranged for the Grill at 12pm! Vintage is chairing it!

You're not getting off that easily and are right up alongside Steven Gunn in the blame stakes!

😂

[TheDeeDon]

Why is Topi picking up their centre half at corners? Theyve either decided he was the best man for the job which is alarming, or they havent set up right in the first place. It?s so easy to fix. Were just handing them free goals and weve been doing it all season

Youre then asking the same players with zero confidence, to try and play football in their own half. Its ridiculously naive.

To stand any chance at all against these minks, you have to be disciplined, organised, mark people properly & get the ball up their end as quickly as possible. Pretty much everything we dont do

It's every team we do it against, but we suffer more against better players.

All season we have moaned about everyone back for corners and yet we are still weak as f*ck defending them.
Even if we clear the ball it usually comes back into the box as we have nobody up the field to do any chasing or hit them on a counter attack.

We can argue about structures at the club not being right, but tactical naivety is on the manager.

I'd be mightly p*ssed off being a player and being sent out to fail time and time again.

We are a fairly young side too with lots of nationalities trying to come to terms with our game.
I'd say they are getting chucked under the bus with our tactics.

[blowupsheep]

Celtic games aside the players have looked like they have chucked it under every manager we have had in the last 5 years and that includes McInnes.

And just coincidentally Dave Cormack formally and officially took the role of chairman at Aberdeen Football Club in November 2019
I rest ma case

[rico94]

Why is Topi picking up their centre half at corners? Theyve either decided he was the best man for the job which is alarming, or they havent set up right in the first place. It?s so easy to fix. Were just handing them free goals and weve been doing it all season

Youre then asking the same players with zero confidence, to try and play football in their own half. Its ridiculously naive.

To stand any chance at all against these minks, you have to be disciplined, organised, mark people properly & get the ball up their end as quickly as possible. Pretty much everything we dont do

Im not a tactical expert and my memory is not that great but in the last 25 years Im pretty sure out the 10 managers we have had in that time at least half of them have man marked at corners and not brought everyone back but we have still got rinsed from Celtic time and time again.

Im afraid it?s not as easy a fix as stopping zonal marking or leaving players up front and all of a sudden we will start beating Celtic.

[rico94]

It's every team we do it against, but we suffer more against better players.

All season we have moaned about everyone back for corners and yet we are still weak as f*ck defending them.
Even if we clear the ball it usually comes back into the box as we have nobody up the field to do any chasing or hit them on a counter attack.

We can argue about structures at the club not being right, but tactical naivety is on the manager.

I'd be mightly p*ssed off being a player and being sent out to fail time and time again.

We are a fairly young side too with lots of nationalities trying to come to terms with our game.
I'd say they are getting chucked under the bus with our tactics.

The bringing everyone one back for corners thing is exactly like last season when everyone moaned about Robson playing 3 at the back.

The players were getting chucked under the bus by Robson for playing with a back 3 which never works according to experts, ironically Hibs have sealed 3rd place by changing to a back 3.

Last night Nisbet and Knoester were right next to the Celtic defender at the corner but he still managed to score.

People can blame the managers for how they set up the team with tactics and formations but the players are as much to blame for not doing their jobs properly.

They are professional footballers who should be able to adapt to what the manager is instructing them to do, they are either not good enough or dont give a fvck or both.

[The_Moog]

We wanted Cormack to appoint someone different last season and we got it with Thelin.
Don't think anyone was against it. I certainly wasn't.

He has been backed with signings, that no other manager has had since the early 90s.

I'd say Thelin has been left alone to do things his way, but his way is killing the team at the moment.
He should be experienced enough to see the areas on the park where we are being exploited, but doesn't change it time and time again.

There is no point arguing amongst ourselves about who is to blame, as I can only comment on what I see on the pitch and have no knowledge of what happens off the pitch.

What I see on the pitch is very worrying and I saw a dejected bunch of players in red jerseys last night and not sure Thelin can get anything more from them now.

I do hope I am wrong though and we somehow win our final two games.

Some good points DD - both here and in your other posts. I agree 100% with pretty much all of it.

Bottom line, Thelin is not getting sacked and in terms of league placing and cup runs we have improved this year and that is what the club will point out at the end of the season.

But it is also true that based on our form since November, we would be bottom of the league and relegated.

What has gone wrong? God knows, but something has happened and in 6 months I have seen little evidence of Thelin showing he can fix it.

I am willing to stick with him for now and see what he can do over the summer and moving into next season, but if I am honest, I am really beginning to have my doubts about Thelin. The lack of any plan B, the regular seeming tactical naivety, some utterly baffling substitutions and team selections, sticking with dross like Okkels come what may, the lack of attitude, fight and desire on the pitch - that is all on the manager and he has shown nothing to suggest he can adapt or fix the issues as he sticks with the same thing regardless - sorry but that is just poor football management.

Blaming Cormack (beyond the fact he appointed Thelin obviously) and calling for him to go is also absolutely pointless.

Where is he going to go? Who is taking over? One of the big queue of oil Sheikhs waiting in the wings to buy him out?

You want Milne back running the show?

Now, keeping that gype hanging about I do blame Cormack for and find absolutely mystifying, but the club is light years better ran now than it was with that buffoon in charge - and anyone denying that isnt being remotely objective.

I think there is no doubt he interfered a lot early on - certainly with Glass especially - but I see little if any evidence he is doing that now. Anyone saying otherwise, where is your evidence?

His social media and press output was a massive cringe for a long time too, but he seems to have learnt his lesson there and being honest, his comments after the Hearts semi final were very good and measured.

He has also backed Thelin to the hilt. Nobody can fault the money hes been given to bring in players - we can certainly look to fault the choice of players but I see no evidence these are anything other than Thelin picks.

He is not firing Thelin for reasons stated above (we have improved statistically), and I am sure he will back him again in the summer, but as I said on the match thread, Thelin has used up every last ounce of the goodwill he had and patience is pretty much at the end for most fans, so if he does not get the right players in the summer and we keep playing like we have the last 6 months he will be gone by the end of the year latest, probably by October.

And there is also the rub, because there is also zero evidence Cormack et al will be able to pick the right replacement manager.

But to be honest, given the long standing cultural issues and deep rooted inferiority complex running rampant throughout the club which has been there for decades - does the right manager to sort this shyte out even exist?

[The_Moog]

The bringing everyone one back for corners thing is exactly like last season when everyone moaned about Robson playing 3 at the back.

The players were getting chucked under the bus by Robson for playing with a back 3 which never works according to experts, ironically Hibs have sealed 3rd place by changing to a back 3.

Last night Nisbet and Knoester were right next to the Celtic defender at the corner but he still managed to score.

People can blame the managers for how they set up the team with tactics and formations but the players are as much to blame for not doing their jobs properly.

They are professional footballers who should be able to adapt to what the manager is instructing them to do, they are either not good enough or dont give a fvck or both.

A back 3 works fine - if you have the right players to play it.

Look at the back 3 we had of Pollock, Scales and MacDonald - it was brilliant and turned our season around. We had the right players to play it, and a real big nasty hard unit in Pollock who threw himself at everything and never backed down ever - my god we need a guy like that just now.

MacDonald taken out of that setup was pretty useless. Its all about the right players in the right setup.

Our big problem seems to be we just dont have the players to play the system Thelin wants. Ok, there are still a lot of players here he didnt sign, but there are also lots he did and the issues we have seen all year like shyte defending at set pieces and shyte defending against simple long balls are all still there - and the defence is now almost entirely made up of his players.

He will bring in a bunch more in that summer, so the, "not his squad" excuse will no longer exist.

To be honest, he is 100% out of excuses right now.

[rico94]

Im not saying we should get rid of Cormack but to keep saying he is better than Milne so its pointless moaning about him is like saying Thelin is better than Stephen Glass so its pointless moaning about him.

Its also extremely naive after whats happened in the last 6 years to be thinking lets get rid of Thelin and everything will be sorted.

I said it last season that Cormack needs to take a back seat,probably get rid of a lot of dead wood in that board room and hire a director of football who knows what he is doing and let him hire a manager who in turn will be allowed to sign players he wants/ needs instead of this buy players to sell them on for a fortune nonsense.

[rico94]

A back 3 works fine - if you have the right players to play it.

Look at the back 3 we had of Pollock, Scales and MacDonald - it was brilliant and turned our season around. We had the right players to play it, and a real big nasty hard unit in Pollock who threw himself at everything and never backed down ever - my god we need a guy like that just now.

MacDonald taken out of that setup was pretty useless. Its all about the right players in the right setup.

Our big problem seems to be we just dont have the players to play the system Thelin wants. Ok, there are still a lot of players here he didnt sign, but there are also lots he did and the issues we have seen all year like shyte defending at set pieces and shyte defending against simple long balls are all still there - and the defence is now almost entirely made up of his players.

He will bring in a bunch more in that summer, so the, "not his squad" excuse will no longer exist.

To be honest, he is 100% out of excuses right now.

Thats fair enough moog, there a players in the squad that arent suited to how Thelin wants to play.

But a lot of them werent suited to play how Robson wanted to play or Warnock so what system are they suited to play?

I just dont think the squad is good enough and its been cobbled together by about 4 or 5 different managers through data from about 3 or 4 different head of recruitments.