OT - Has anyone seen Nigel?

[ramAnag]

Chas Corrigan, a white man, has just been jailed for life with a minimum of 22.5 years for murdering a Saudi student, Mohammed Algasim, in Cambridge.

There was no uproar when it happened. No uproar when the sentence was handed down. Why is Farage and like minded politicians so quiet on this one? It's very likely the convicted man is a descendent of Irish immigrants or that he himeself was born there. Shouldn't these right wing politicians be complaining that this is yet another murder by (descendents of) immigrants?

Spot on, MA. A thoughtful response. We should maybe also consider the response to the Beastie House case. One of the vilest of child abuse cases in recent times, not perpetrated by Muslim grooming gangs but by a gang of seven - five males and two females - all white and Scottish.
Outraged reaction…comments from Farage…protests organised by Tommy and Lol…absolutely none to the best of my knowledge.

[SithHappens]

Another senseless horrific murder.

[Andy_Faber]

Really? I thought I was simply making the point that the far right is currently responsible for more violent disruption than their equivalent on the far left by citing examples. The fact that you keep changing tack and never answer the points raised would suggest I’m correct.

I also think that JD Vance’s comments and involvement this morning are entirely unhelpful and aimed at creating more disruption precisely at a time which might be helpful to Farage. Simple, straightforward question…what do you think?

I’m just trying to broaden the discussion, and my guess, if political leanings were taken out of it, is that a vast majority would consider depriving a person of their livelihood would be a greater ‘ crime’ that throwing a bin at a copper. You will always claim to be ‘correct’, that’s just a tactic/habit of yours and fair enough we all have them

Simple answer re JDV, same as my earlier answer re Musk, he should keep his nose out especially when his point is misplaced on this occasion.

[Andy_Faber]

Chas Corrigan, a white man, has just been jailed for life with a minimum of 22.5 years for murdering a Saudi student, Mohammed Algasim, in Cambridge.

There was no uproar when it happened. No uproar when the sentence was handed down. Why is Farage and like minded politicians so quiet on this one? It's very likely the convicted man is a descendent of Irish immigrants or that he himeself was born there. Shouldn't these right wing politicians be complaining that this is yet another murder by (descendents of) immigrants?

Not comparable. As far as I can see, the poor chap wasn’t handcuffed, arrested or had his injuries disbelieved as he lay dying or was accused of racism by his attacker. Let’s discuss like with like, and rA after making the same comment to mr I’m surprised you didn’t beat me to it

[swaledale]

Not comparable. As far as I can see, the poor chap wasn’t handcuffed, arrested or had his injuries disbelieved as he lay dying or was accused of racism by his attacker. Let’s discuss like with like, and rA after making the same comment to mr I’m surprised you didn’t beat me to it

OK lets discuss Sarah Everard, picked up by a serving policeman, subject to horrific abuse and killed. Comments from Farage at the time (you know he who has claimed to be concerned about the safet of women and girls) was as follows

“We must not allow the tragic murder of a young woman to turn into attacks on men and attacks on the police.” Why did he not feel moved to coin a phrase like “women’s lives matter”? When police broke up a peaceful vigil for Everard, arresting and cuffing attenders, Farage does not seem to have made a statement at all. Later, he would say: “When we saw the [Wayne] Couzens case, I thought it was horrific, but you know what, you’re going to get one bad person in any large group of people.”

Even two weeks ago, when three teenage boys were spared custodial sentences for raping two girls, Nigel doesn’t seem to have emerged from the silence that followed the discovery of his £5m gift from a crypto billionaire to make a statement about no-tier justice for women.

So aside from the details of this case, which is that the arresting police officers behaved appallingly, why has Farage stepped in to make comments which if nothing else demonstrate what most sentient people knew, he is not fit to be prime Minister, he is not an appropriate person to be an MP or hold any public office.

Even if, one is of a mind to amplify the possible influence of diveristy training on the Police officers actions, and lets be clear here we and Farage don't actually know that is true, but even if it is. Then its a case of Police officers not exercising proper judgement of a siutation, which is worrying but in fact there are many examples of where this has happened which have nothing to do with race or ethnicity and everything to do with police training, vetting and culture.

Those who fail to call out Farage for his open and disgusting actions and words, (designed only to encourage a violent reaction to further his political aims and nothing to do with respecting the family of the victim and actually determining the truth of what happned here and why), are clearly of the same mind as Farage, triggered by illogical dislike of "foreigners" and unable to understand that they are being played for the fools they seem to be.

[ramAnag]

I?’m just trying to broaden the discussion, and my guess, if political leanings were taken out of it, is that a vast majority would consider depriving a person of their livelihood would be a greater ?‘ crime?’ that throwing a bin at a copper. You will always claim to be ?‘correct?’, that?’s just a tactic/habit of yours and fair enough we all have them

Simple answer re JDV, same as my earlier answer re Musk, he should keep his nose out especially when his point is misplaced on this occasion.

I’m sorry, I genuinely don’t know what, or who, you’re talking about in terms of ‘depriving a person of their livelihood’.

I suppose I do think I’m correct in what I say. Be a bit weird if I, or anyone else, didn’t really. Why would I/we - including you - offer opinions we didn’t believe to be correct?

Thanks for the straight answer over JDV. At least we agree on something, but I honestly can’t see how you can disagree that, in recent times, it is the extreme right - incited by the usual suspects - who have been more threateningly responsible for rioting and public disorder in the UK than any other group.

[ramAnag]

So aside from the details of this case, which is that the arresting police officers behaved appallingly, why has Farage stepped in to make comments which if nothing else demonstrate what most sentient people knew, he is not fit to be prime Minister, he is not an appropriate person to be an MP or hold any public office.

Even if, one is of a mind to amplify the possible influence of diveristy training on the Police officers actions, and lets be clear here we and Farage don't actually know that is true, but even if it is. Then its a case of Police officers not exercising proper judgement of a siutation, which is worrying but in fact there are many examples of where this has happened which have nothing to do with race or ethnicity and everything to do with police training, vetting and culture.

Those who fail to call out Farage for his open and disgusting actions and words, (designed only to encourage a violent reaction to further his political aims and nothing to do with respecting the family of the victim and actually determining the truth of what happned here and why), are clearly of the same mind as Farage, triggered by illogical dislike of "foreigners" and unable to understand that they are being played for the fools they seem to be.

Nutshell time…and 100% correct, imo.

[Geoff Parkstone]

OK lets discuss Sarah Everard, picked up by a serving policeman, subject to horrific abuse and killed. Comments from Farage at the time (you know he who has claimed to be concerned about the safet of women and girls) was as follows

“We must not allow the tragic murder of a young woman to turn into attacks on men and attacks on the police.” Why did he not feel moved to coin a phrase like “women’s lives matter”? When police broke up a peaceful vigil for Everard, arresting and cuffing attenders, Farage does not seem to have made a statement at all. Later, he would say: “When we saw the [Wayne] Couzens case, I thought it was horrific, but you know what, you’re going to get one bad person in any large group of people.”

Even two weeks ago, when three teenage boys were spared custodial sentences for raping two girls, Nigel doesn’t seem to have emerged from the silence that followed the discovery of his £5m gift from a crypto billionaire to make a statement about no-tier justice for women.

So aside from the details of this case, which is that the arresting police officers behaved appallingly, why has Farage stepped in to make comments which if nothing else demonstrate what most sentient people knew, he is not fit to be prime Minister, he is not an appropriate person to be an MP or hold any public office.

Even if, one is of a mind to amplify the possible influence of diveristy training on the Police officers actions, and lets be clear here we and Farage don't actually know that is true, but even if it is. Then its a case of Police officers not exercising proper judgement of a siutation, which is worrying but in fact there are many examples of where this has happened which have nothing to do with race or ethnicity and everything to do with police training, vetting and culture.

Those who fail to call out Farage for his open and disgusting actions and words, (designed only to encourage a violent reaction to further his political aims and nothing to do with respecting the family of the victim and actually determining the truth of what happned here and why), are clearly of the same mind as Farage, triggered by illogical dislike of "foreigners" and unable to understand that they are being played for the fools they seem to be.

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[ramAnag]

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Helpful! Who was it said, ‘If you don’t like the thread don’t read or contribute to it - simples. No one’s forcing you.’?

Oh yes, GP…11.34 a.m. 30/5/2026.

[swaledale]

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OK, so what is it about my post that you have quoted that sends you to sleep? Or are you responding to my response on your "light hearted comment on fascist Farage" thread? In which case you seem to be acting contrary to the reasons you stated in beginning that thread.

Or is it just your general cynical and negative view that despite all the evidence to the contrary the best way to deal with these very serious issues is to ignore them? Ostrich syndrome as I call it.

[swaledale]

Helpful! Who was it said, ‘If you don’t like the thread don’t read or contribute to it - simples. No one’s forcing you.’?

Oh yes, GP…11.34 a.m. 30/5/2026.

He was triggered by my response on the "light hearted joshing of farage" thread!! Quite amusing really.

[Andy_Faber]

OK, so what is it about my post that you have quoted that sends you to sleep? Or are you responding to my response on your "light hearted comment on fascist Farage" thread? In which case you seem to be acting contrary to the reasons you stated in beginning that thread.

Or is it just your general cynical and negative view that despite all the evidence to the contrary the best way to deal with these very serious issues is to ignore them? Ostrich syndrome as I call it.

I think this response MIGHT have had just a little credibility if you hadn’t posted the identical phrase on another thread. But you did, so it doesn’t.

rA, for you to the usual of siding with Swale you’ll have to admit to reading that thread, which you said you wouldn’t

[ramAnag]

I think this response MIGHT have had just a little credibility if you hadn??’t posted the identical phrase on another thread. But you did, so it doesn??’t.

rA, for you to the usual of siding with Swale you??’ll have to admit to reading that thread, which you said you wouldn??’t

Lol! Wrong again, AF. My only response was to GP’s ‘snoring post’ in response to Swale’s post, both on MA’s original Farage thread.
I’ll concede that I did have to look at GP’s silly thread earlier, but only to check (and quote) the wording of his rather tetchy response of last week and, as promised, I have never commented further on that thread.

I honestly think it’s time to stop the childish tit for tat crap, especially on a thread that now has such tragic overtones attached to it. GP’s aim appears to be to simply disrupt grown up debate while you appear to be in denial and incapable of producing an argument.

The twin issues of Henry Nowak’s murder and Farage’s response/behaviour are enormously serious imo and I really don’t understand why you have to personalise everything on here. It’s not a question of ‘siding with Swale’ - anymore than you and GP appear to repeatedly ‘side’ with each other. It’s a question of agreeing with some opinions and disagreeing with others. I often agree with Sith and MA offered 100% approval of something I’d written a couple of days ago. On those occasions you’ve said nothing, but if Swale and I agree it seems you just can’t help yourself. Grow up!

[Andy_Faber]

Lol! Wrong again, AF. My only response was to GP’s ‘snoring post’ in response to Swale’s post, both on MA’s original Farage thread.
I’ll concede that I did have to look at GP’s silly thread earlier, but only to check (and quote) the wording of his rather tetchy response of last week and, as promised, I have never commented further on that thread.

I honestly think it’s time to stop the childish tit for tat crap, especially on a thread that now has such tragic overtones attached to it. GP’s aim appears to be to simply disrupt grown up debate while you appear to be in denial and incapable of producing an argument.

The twin issues of Henry Nowak’s murder and Farage’s response/behaviour are enormously serious imo and I really don’t understand why you have to personalise everything on here. It’s not a question of ‘siding with Swale’ - anymore than you and GP appear to repeatedly ‘side’ with each other. It’s a question of agreeing with some opinions and disagreeing with others. I often agree with Sith and MA offered 100% approval of something I’d written a couple of days ago. On those occasions you’ve said nothing, but if Swale and I agree it seems you just can’t help yourself. Grow up!

Telling someone to grow up for having a different opinion to yourself is itself not grown up

[Geoff Parkstone]

Swale same as mine that sent you to sleep - goose and gander theory