OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

It just goes to show people never appreciate what they have until they don't have it - most countries would love to have a broadcaster such as the BBC, indeed in many places across the world its viewed as the only reliable news service - given that it strives to offer a balanced view even when its patently ludicrous - viz. having climate change deniers on when discussing said subject.

The BBC is not perfect, what organisation run by human beings is, but to call it partisan smacks of a Daily Mail readers mentality - though I notice with a change of editor that has rather done a reverse ferret on Brexit lately!

Maybe its because it does

Agree with virtually every word of those two posts Swale.

Interesting too Andy that yesterday the leader of the CBI went out of her way to query the wisdom of the immigration implications of May’s plans.
Unless I misunderstood she seemed to be expressing real concern about the damaging impact a shortage of labour might have on such areas as the building trade and the NHS.
Don’t really see how you can blame Labour’s policy of two decades ago. The root of the Brexit fiasco lies with the likes of Duncan Smith, Paterson, Johnson, Fox, Rees Mogg, UKIP and Gove....and just look at who’s still stirring up trouble! Sincerely hope there’ll be no Gove in long term future Gove-rnment.

[AdiSalisbury]

So... after 189 pages of debate, love-ins and bickering, has anyone changed their mind yet? And who, as originally asked, do you want as prime minister throughout this transition period?

For me, my decision is one I am more certain of than at first. Going forward, I can chew this transition deal for the interim, but there needs to be more focus on the point of leaving in full, and I don't think May is strong enough to deliver anything but an extension of what's already in place, so a stronger negotiator is needed to deliver. Either Labour need to offer up a better option than the present giant douche, or the Tory's need to replace May. So in my opinion, we need a proper turd sandwich to ensure we leave without having the EU economic shackles in place.

[Geoff Parkstone]

That seems a fair observation Adi.

Whoever leads the country through the primary stages of leaving is committing comparative political suicide since, as we have now seen the extremes of her party and indeed parliament would form an unholy alliance that would bring such a leader down unless they had a huge majority. Which she didn't have. So May is history no matter what happens. The sacrificial lamb who ironically did not want the process in the first place.

Corbyn? Like many politicians I suspect he is far more effective in opposition where he can whinge and moan without fear of having to put his neck on the line and actually do something constructive. As can be seen right now he is an opportunist trying to force an election in the midst of national chaos - selfish at the expense of the country. Could he win? Maybe, especially is the Tory right back him as the best person to achieve the most extreme form of Brexit that they seek.

New candidates within the parties are hard to see. since all will be tainted by a Brexit slant one way or the other. that is going to hang over their careers for years to come. As I postulated earlier in thread, the best realistic way forward is apolitical with a centrist leaning. Both extremes of either party seem to want a hard leave (or at least harder than whats on offer now) and are prepared to trample the economy into the gutter to achieve it. National unity / coalition governments were commonplace in the first half of the 20th century in times of economic meltdown or war, this current scenario may carry similar risk and an agreement to suspend political feuding for(say) 3 years in national interest has a great deal of attraction. But who leads it? **** knows

[ramAnag]

So... after 189 pages of debate, love-ins and bickering, has anyone changed their mind yet? And who, as originally asked, do you want as prime minister throughout this transition period?

For me, my decision is one I am more certain of than at first. Going forward, I can chew this transition deal for the interim, but there needs to be more focus on the point of leaving in full, and I don't think May is strong enough to deliver anything but an extension of what's already in place, so a stronger negotiator is needed to deliver. Either Labour need to offer up a better option than the present giant douche, or the Tory's need to replace May. So in my opinion, we need a proper turd sandwich to ensure we leave without having the EU economic shackles in place.

Andy changes his mind more often than his pants and they’re riddled with holes from all his fence sitting anyway.
GP has even changed his identity and although I still think we’re all much better off ‘in’...my new greatest fear is the ‘no deal’ hard Brexit. If that’s what you mean by a ‘proper turd sandwich’ I seriously disagree about it being something ‘we need’.

Oh sorry...May if it means avoiding ‘no deal’...longer term Keir Starmer or Vince Cable with all extreme Brexiteers banished to a remote volcanic island which is about to erupt please.

[Andy_Faber]

Agree with virtually every word of those two posts Swale.

Interesting too Andy that yesterday the leader of the CBI went out of her way to query the wisdom of the immigration implications of May’s plans.
Unless I misunderstood she seemed to be expressing real concern about the damaging impact a shortage of labour might have on such areas as the building trade and the NHS.
Don’t really see how you can blame Labour’s policy of two decades ago. The root of the Brexit fiasco lies with the likes of Duncan Smith, Paterson, Johnson, Fox, Rees Mogg, UKIP and Gove....and just look at who’s still stirring up trouble! Sincerely hope there’ll be no Gove in long term future Gove-rnment.

I'm all for the international movement of labour, and the news reporting on it was interesting yesterday

I don't agree about the root of the Brexit fiasco though, those politicians are just stirring the pot - without the earlier policy of open doors to eastern europeans there would have been no pot to stir, because Leave voters would not have been so fired up on immigration and many would have voted Remain (or not voted)

[AdiSalisbury]

haha - my "proper turd sandwich" comment is in reference to a leader not there for their pretty face, but for getting us the best possible outcome, regardless of which direction you seek.

[ramAnag]

haha - my "proper turd sandwich" comment is in reference to a leader not there for their pretty face, but for getting us the best possible outcome, regardless of which direction you seek.

You think May is there for her ‘pretty face’?

[Geoff Parkstone]

It isnt pretty and she is not committed to what she is trying to do. Perhaps we need more of that commitment to the cause

And what do you mean I have changed my identity?

[Andy_Faber]

Andy changes his mind more often than his pants and they’re riddled with holes from all his fence sitting anyway.

Not aware I've changed my mind at all, enlighten me...

Who would I make prime minister? Warren East. The current situation is too important to entrust to a politician.

[Andy_Faber]

It isnt pretty and she is not committed to what she is trying to do. Perhaps we need more of that commitment to the cause

And what do you mean I have changed my identity?

I think he means your pre-v1tal alter ego

[mistaram]

No for her dancing ��

[ramAnag]

Not aware I've changed my mind at all, enlighten me...

Who would I make prime minister? Warren East. The current situation is too important to entrust to a politician.

Lol...the man who voted ‘Remain’...rushed to the defence of the Brexiteers...espoused the ‘Leave’ cause...before conceding that in the event of a second referendum he’d probably vote ‘Remain’ again!

I can see the wisdom of your PM choice though. You’ll be suggesting something revolutionary soon...like replacing the current bunch of ignorant ego driven twits (aka politicians) with people who actually have some experience of working in the areas their Departments are responsible for. Great idea.

[MadAmster]

Possible spanner in the works #1??

Just seen on the Dutch news that, at the EU summit this coming weekend, the Spanish are going to be pushing their fellow EU governments to have Gibraltar reverting to be Spanish as a condition.

90 odd % of Gibraltarians want to remain British. Long live democracy.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Perhaps it is the fate of every female PM of this country to send a task force to ward off hispanic interests in our remaining overseas territories and to defend the rights of its people to stay British

[ramAnag]

Perhaps it is the fate of every female PM of this country to send a task force to ward off hispanic interests in our remaining overseas territories and to defend the rights of its people to stay British

I dare say the more extreme and nationalistic of the Brexiteers will be positively orgasmic at the prospect, Geoff.