OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Andy_Faber]

Liking that MOP although I’m sure you missed some other offended folk somewhere

[Trickytreesreds]

Oh dear your not very bright are you? if it was the EU rather than this Tory Government who voted against it that prevented the Uk from scrapping the tax on women's sanitary items, is there no tax in the Republic of Ireland?

No the only people I think are thick are people like yourself, who just spout crap they read from right wing sources and swallow the lies peddled by right wing rich elites.

You do i suppose understand how misogynist your comment shows you to be?

So a bigot, racist, fascist, ignorant, misogynist, thick, lets hope your activities in Thailand don't come to light

Go on, elaborate on that please, I dare you.
I have recently come back from Thailand. Be going back again as soon as I can.
So what is your accusation?

[Andy_Faber]

In the spirit of the (original) subject of this thread I decided. just like dear old David Cameron, to apply an 'emergency break' (or was it 'brake'?) which I've now released. Unlike DC I fully expect mine to have ****-all effect, but we shall see

[Trickytreesreds]

In the spirit of the (original) subject of this thread I decided. just like dear old David Cameron, to apply an 'emergency break' (or was it 'brake'?) which I've now released. Unlike DC I fully expect mine to have ****-all effect, but we shall see

Shall I just call you Dave?

[Andy_Faber]

DC's involvement in the whole Brexit debacle has been sadly overlooked due to all the subsequent hoohaa

[ramAnag]

In the spirit of the (original) subject of this thread I decided. just like dear old David Cameron, to apply an 'emergency break' (or was it 'brake'?) which I've now released. Unlike DC I fully expect mine to have ****-all effect, but we shall see

Good decision. Hope people respect it. Tense times, but it doesn’t have to lead to abuse.
Well done.

[AdiSalisbury]

DC's involvement in the whole Brexit debacle has been sadly overlooked due to all the subsequent hoohaa

I don't see how we can lay the blame soley on Derby County!

[Trickytreesreds]

DC's involvement in the whole Brexit debacle has been sadly overlooked due to all the subsequent hoohaa

Not really.
Cameron was actually a victim of circumstances and his own ambitions.

1. UKIP forced him into a corner, where he had to face up to the growing calls for a referendum from the public and inside his own party. Promise a referendum or lose seats.

2. He expected to still need the Lib Dims for government and knew he could always use them as an excuse to not see through his promise. Like the Lib Dems did with free education.Little did he underestimate how many of the public would vote Tory on the back of that promise. Bad call.

3. Even then, with a lost vote, he never got behind the result. He's been to the EU cap in hand and got a his bottom smacked, with a bum deal. But the pure gall of the man, was to try and tell the public, that this was a deal made in heaven? (maybe he thought we were all thick? )


4. No choice to resign because he had picked a side, instead of staying neutral and following it through. But he isn't the only politician in Parliament to think their opinion is more important than us mere mortals.

I will say one thing for Cameron though. At least he has known to keep his head down/mouth shut/ not interfere. If only the dregs that are Blair/Major could do so.

[Geoff Parkstone]

somehow the idea of David Cameron following through holds little appeal.

[swaledale]

Not really.
Cameron was actually a victim of circumstances and his own ambitions.

1. UKIP forced him into a corner, where he had to face up to the growing calls for a referendum from the public and inside his own party. Promise a referendum or lose seats.

2. He expected to still need the Lib Dims for government and knew he could always use them as an excuse to not see through his promise. Like the Lib Dems did with free education.Little did he underestimate how many of the public would vote Tory on the back of that promise. Bad call.

3. Even then, with a lost vote, he never got behind the result. He's been to the EU cap in hand and got a his bottom smacked, with a bum deal. But the pure gall of the man, was to try and tell the public, that this was a deal made in heaven? (maybe he thought we were all thick? )


4. No choice to resign because he had picked a side, instead of staying neutral and following it through. But he isn't the only politician in Parliament to think their opinion is more important than us mere mortals.

I will say one thing for Cameron though. At least he has known to keep his head down/mouth shut/ not interfere. If only the dregs that are Blair/Major could do so.

Somewhat odd then that Craig Oliver, Cameron's Director of Communications at the time said, that this idea he never intended there to be a referendum is "a myth". He spent the whole campaign saying he would not lead a Government that did not hold a referendum and was convinced that having one was the only way to stop the Eurosceptics in the Tory party from their divisive actions which had made life so uncomfortable for previous Tory leaders.

Its true that UKIP had made more Tory's nervous and increased the pressure, but the principle reason was to try and put a stop to the decades of infighting that the Tory anti europe brigade had been responsible for.

To say that the Troy's won the election on the back of a promise to hold a referendum on the Eu is disingenuous at best and at worst a rather myopic view of what the UK public wanted - look at the facts on a turn out of 37% the Brexit vote got a positive vote of just over 4%, if it had been the will of the people, then turn out would surely have been higher Clearly not many were of that view and regrettably most who would have voted remain were complacent, not believing that enough people would be stupid enough to vote to Leave and be convinced by what was apparent at the time and what has been factually demonstrated since then to be unbelievable lies and falsehoods.

In short Cameron led the UK into this mess to resolve an internal issue of the Tory party.

Yes he did think you were all thick, again unfortunately that led to a Remain campaign that was less than effective, though as has been shown, Right Wing populists can sway the thicko's in society, backed by those (such as Johnson) who whilst not believing in the principle, think backing it will serve their own personal interests better.

We are seeing this in the way Trump is behaving in the USA and the reluctance of many Republicans to repudiate his actions and words, not because they believe in what he says and does, but because they believe it serves their own interests to do so.


Still you do like fake news, shame that your parroting of it, reveals the gaps in your knowledge.

[MadAmster]

Somewhat odd then that Craig Oliver, Cameron's Director of Communications at the time said, that this idea he never intended there to be a referendum is "a myth". He spent the whole campaign saying he would not lead a Government that did not hold a referendum and was convinced that having one was the only way to stop the Eurosceptics in the Tory party from their divisive actions which had made life so uncomfortable for previous Tory leaders.

Its true that UKIP had made more Tory's nervous and increased the pressure, but the principle reason was to try and put a stop to the decades of infighting that the Tory anti europe brigade had been responsible for.

To say that the Troy's won the election on the back of a promise to hold a referendum on the Eu is disingenuous at best and at worst a rather myopic view of what the UK public wanted - look at the facts on a turn out of 37% the Brexit vote got a positive vote of just over 4%, if it had been the will of the people, then turn out would surely have been higher Clearly not many were of that view and regrettably most who would have voted remain were complacent, not believing that enough people would be stupid enough to vote to Leave and be convinced by what was apparent at the time and what has been factually demonstrated since then to be unbelievable lies and falsehoods.

In short Cameron led the UK into this mess to resolve an internal issue of the Tory party.

Yes he did think you were all thick, again unfortunately that led to a Remain campaign that was less than effective, though as has been shown, Right Wing populists can sway the thicko's in society, backed by those (such as Johnson) who whilst not believing in the principle, think backing it will serve their own personal interests better.

We are seeing this in the way Trump is behaving in the USA and the reluctance of many Republicans to repudiate his actions and words, not because they believe in what he says and does, but because they believe it serves their own interests to do so.


Still you do like fake news, shame that your parroting of it, reveals the gaps in your knowledge.

Reasonable depiction of what happened. If he hadn't promised a referendum, the Tory Party would have been torn asunder. Oh how I wish he hadn't promised that referendum....... the Tory Party would have half the seats it does now.

As for the fallout from the referendum, DC had said he'd stay as PM whatever the outcome. That was a political lie. He couldn't really say "if you vote leave I'll resign", now, could he? Once the result was known, he knew that he couldn't give the negotiations the oomph they needed because he would find it impossible to put his all into something in which he didn't believe. I applauded (not in a literal sense....) his decision to resign.

[MadAmster]

Go on, elaborate on that please, I dare you.
I have recently come back from Thailand. Be going back again as soon as I can.
So what is your accusation?

No accusation, in my opinion, TT. More of an implication. One, again IMO, meant in a flippant and/or teasing manner.

IMO, you really would have to be as thick as Swale believes you are not to have understood that and to know exactly which stereotype is being implied.

IMO, you aren't that thick

[Geoff Parkstone]

Thailand is one of the bigger exporters of pearls and other precious gems to the UK. I presume it is being suggested that Tricky is getting involved in the import/export of jewellery maybe.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Or he is perhaps giving a string of pearls to the local lasses

[MadAmster]

Two good posts