OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

I've just got a new shiny blue passport....but even that is disappointingly cheap and unimpressive in build quality

...and made in France I believe.

[swaledale]

Not illegal at all tricky, unfortunately. The ships are registered in Jersey, apparently, so not subject to UK Law. What P&O have done is perfectly legal under maritime Law.

Interestingly P&O French staff still have their jobs..... long live Brexit?

It seems Johnson, Farage and Cummings managed to persuade millions of underpaid working class people to vote a certain way so million- and billionaires don't have to pay tax.

Oh they are subject to UK law, but leaving the EU means extra protections offered under EU law are no longer applicable. Also the Tory's voted against removing "fire and rehire" from employment law.

There is a legal challenge but P & O will just offer enough dosh to each employee to get around this, i.e. more than would be awarded by an employment tribunal for unfair dismissal.

AS for the Government telling P & O to do one, doesn't Thicky realise that this is exactly what the free marketeers and hard Brexit people want, a deregulated, low wage exploitative economy which benefits the rich elite?

[Ramshank72]

You could argue that the EU workers are protected by their lack of EU protection for a decent wage, which the UK workers have, hence the cheaper EU workforce are being employed. Other than impact of Brexit on income for P&O, I struggle to see the correlation. Agree with Swale and Andy that P&O will just take the costs, but as Andy said, we don't really know the details, all we know is that there is some ethical malpractice.

[Geoff Parkstone]

...and made in France I believe.

I believe so, which may explain the shoddy end product. Contains 27% frog skin in the cover

[Geoff Parkstone]

Not illegal at all tricky, unfortunately. The ships are registered in Jersey, apparently, so not subject to UK Law. What P&O have done is perfectly legal under maritime Law.

Interestingly P&O French staff still have their jobs..... long live Brexit?

It seems Johnson, Farage and Cummings managed to persuade millions of underpaid working class people to vote a certain way so million- and billionaires don't have to pay tax.

Sorry to disagree Andy, But I believe DP World moved the registration location of some (of not all) of its cross channel ferries to Cyprus a couple of years ago in order to remain INSIDE the EU in the same way as a lot of the UK based financial services businesses created subsidiaries in EU member states for passporting services. In which case the ships are still inside EU jurisdiction

[Geoff Parkstone]

CTD)

Maritime employees terms of employment, conditions etc are to be in accordance with the ILO's Maritime Labour Convention (2006) provisions which have been adopted by both the UK and the EU. Supervision of compliance with these provisions is down to the flag state - which is Cyprus for the cross channel ferries at least, and so supervisions remains "in the EU" despite Brexit.

So whilst it might seem expedient for the media and others on this platform to blame Brexit for this happening, I'm not sure its strictly correct to do so. It may be that some UK shore based employees do not fall under the MLC and thus will be subject to UK employment law - I only ever deal with shipside exposures - but those "mariners" should still have full EU rights. That said, such rights still may not put them in any better position.

[Andy_Faber]

...and made in France I believe.

Incorrect. Poland. A company in Nottingham were part of the unsuccessful UK bid

[ramAnag]

Incorrect. Poland. A company in Nottingham were part of the unsuccessful UK bid

I stand corrected...made in Poland, albeit by a French-Dutch company.
You’re right...but the point remains...the blue passport, iconic emblem of bloody Brexit, made in one EU country by a company from two others. Laughable if it wasn’t so sad.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Have you bought you nice red clip on pretend EU cover for your new blue British passport yet rA? I remember getting a blue cover to obscure my first nasty red EU cover in the 90s. Just didn't want a Forest coloured identity document!

[ramAnag]

Have you bought you nice red clip on pretend EU cover for your new blue British passport yet rA? I remember getting a blue cover to obscure my first nasty red EU cover in the 90s. Just didn't want a Forest coloured identity document!

Think I’ve got another six or seven years on the current European one. Couldn’t care less about the colour tbh...just like to go back to the pre Brexit days of queue free travel within the EU.

[Andy_Faber]

Think I’ve got another six or seven years on the current European one. Couldn’t care less about the colour tbh...just like to go back to the pre Brexit days of queue free travel within the EU.

your memory is selective rA, it was 911 that prompted the step change in security that lengthened airport queues

[swaledale]

You could argue that the EU workers are protected by their lack of EU protection for a decent wage, which the UK workers have, hence the cheaper EU workforce are being employed. Other than impact of Brexit on income for P&O, I struggle to see the correlation. Agree with Swale and Andy that P&O will just take the costs, but as Andy said, we don't really know the details, all we know is that there is some ethical malpractice.

What makes you think the EU workforce is cheaper? I know that one of the big lies of vote leave was that EU workers were bringing wages down, but all the research showed that in fact that wasn't the case. The fact is EU law has better employment protections built in, the Uk has left and we don't have that and theres more to come, deregulation and getting rid of red tape sounds wonderful, until you realise that "red tape" protects peoples living standards!

[Ramshank72]

We'll you seem a bit more knowledgeable than me on the employment law stuff so I won't argue the point. I'd say I hope P&O get what's coming to them, but I understand that they are responsible for a lot of our freight, so we'd only suffer for it

[swaledale]

We'll you seem a bit more knowledgeable than me on the employment law stuff so I won't argue the point. I'd say I hope P&O get what's coming to them, but I understand that they are responsible for a lot of our freight, so we'd only suffer for it

I'm certain other companies will fill the breach, seeing as P & O aren't operating for 10 days or so. Its the lorry traffic they carry but there are other routes and logistics firms will be using them now.

[swaledale]

Ironic that on the day taxes are raised to pay for the NHS, Brexit which if you recall was supposed to raise £350 million a week for the NHS is actually losing the UK over £400 million per week!