OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Geoff Parkstone]

I agree that now F1 is very tedious/processional but is that any different to the Mercedes dominant period under Hamilton and his second string and before then Vettel in Red Bull or Schumacher in Ferrari. Its been a dreadful TV sport for maybe 20 years due to one car's dominance each season, which car then combines with the premier driver. Senna v Prost was probably the last era when there was interesting races at the front, although for me the all time hero was Vittorio Brambilla whose record of destroying cars was surmounted by his crashing as he took the checkered flag in his only race win.

[MadAmster]

Max does seem, apart from being a damned good driver, to have a car that is simply much faster than the rest. The car doesn't seem to be as good in Checco's hands. Lewis never got above 10 wins in a season. Nowhere near the dominance Max is showing, having won 8 of the 10 races thus far including the last 6. The other 2 were won by Checco. That's 10 out of 10 for the energy drinkers. I would back it being 11 from 11 at the Hungaroring.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if it became 23/23 by the end of November

[SithHappens]

You do wonder if the FIA had known that the Red Bull would become so dominant if they would have made more ethical decisions around Abu Dhabi 21.

[Andy_Faber]

You do wonder if the FIA had known that the Red Bull would become so dominant if they would have made more ethical decisions around Abu Dhabi 21.

They wouldn’t, they have no ethics. I support no particular driver but I view 2021 in the same manner as the Lance Armstrong TDF years (not suggesting Max cheated btw)

[swaledale]

I see the Government have yet again postponed the introduction of checks on goods entering the Uk from the EU, mainly because they know it will disrupt imports and cause increased costs for food and other goods.

So in this fantastically managed Brex****, we have, farmers, manufacturers and UK exporters hamstrung by increased red tape and costs, whilst EU exporters ahve no such impediments and continue as before.

Of course the government could ahve negotiated a deal which allowed truly frictionless trade with the EU, but were so determined on a really hard Brexit that they refused but have end up with a situation where at the moment and for the foreseeable future, the friction on trade is only on Uk exporters and they wonder why Uk economy is hardly growing!!

Another example of utter ****wittery, is the abandonment of the UK quality regulation (though some claim its just postponed, the reality is it was a nonsense). So we will stick with the EU kitemark, well the vast majority of our goods are exported to the EU, so would need to meet EU standards and the cost of a separate (not necessarily higher though) UK standard would be a nonsense for both Uk and EU firms.

Of course many companies and the UK government have spent hundreds of thousands on this piece of nonsense already, plus the time and staff resources that arguably could ahve been directed elsewhere to better effect.

Truly Johnson did not lie when he said "**** business!"

[SithHappens]

Johnson did not lie? 1st time for everything

[MadAmster]

The 500+ rescued from the Channel yesterday. Why weren't they returned to France?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Perhaps they were planning to give them legionnaires disease to eradicate the problem?

[Trickytreesreds]

Perhaps they were planning to give them legionnaires disease to eradicate the problem?

But the legionaires are made up with foreigners.
Can't they have them?

[swaledale]

The 500+ rescued from the Channel yesterday. Why weren't they returned to France?

Some were I believe, though it was nowhere near 500, anyway its all *******s and very simple to stop, just open legal routes and process them in calais as the French have offered, that way those that don't qualify can be stopped.

[Trickytreesreds]

Some were I believe, though it was nowhere near 500, anyway its all *******s and very simple to stop, just open legal routes and process them in calais as the French have offered, that way those that don't qualify can be stopped.

Sounds mint doesn't it?
Yet the government and many in opposition seem to want it all to continue. You have to ask why?

Sunak, trys to do a deal with the EU about returns, like the Dublin agreement for those who have already applied elsewhere in Europe.
Yet the EU says to do that, you must agree to take in at least 30,000 illegal migrants a year or pay 20 ,000 euros for each one you don't.
Of course this is totally intolerant to Poland/Hungary at least, so conflict brewing there.

The elephant in the room, is the EU's lack of effort to stop it, or their selective response to attempts to stop it.
1. Its ok now for Greece to push boats back, after allowing them to get swamped?
2. Italy must let them in?
3. Poland are fine to use the military when they come from Belarus, but must take them from the other countries?

The hypocrisy is surreal. All from Merkels single act.
Yes this government is crap and couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. But like a castle under seige, we are making a dogs dinner of fefending the inner keep, whilst the EU allowed the moat and outer walls to be breeched.

Want a good read, try Douglas Murray.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmvPfbfzX4U&ab_channel=BrandonVanDyck

[Geoff Parkstone]

Some were I believe, though it was nowhere near 500, anyway its all *******s and very simple to stop, just open legal routes and process them in calais as the French have offered, that way those that don't qualify can be stopped.

Apart from the fact that those who don't qualify when processed in Calais will still just get on the boats anyway. So the problem doesn't disappear, it simply gets focussed on a hardcore of illegals who will know they have to go underground if they survive the journey.

I'd say you need to stop the access to boats by focussing on the supply of smugglers rather than the demand for smugglees.

[Trickytreesreds]

Apart from the fact that those who don't qualify when processed in Calais will still just get on the boats anyway. So the problem doesn't disappear, it simply gets focussed on a hardcore of illegals who will know they have to go underground if they survive the journey.

I'd say you need to stop the access to boats by focussing on the supply of smugglers rather than the demand for smugglees.

Correct, most of those who come by boat, won't qualify in any way for asylum by normal routes.
The boats let them toss their ID away, make up a story and lie through their teeth.
Even if rejected, no ID means its nearly impossible to get shut of them. That's why so many get asylum, not because they qualify, but because the government doesn't know what the **** to do with them. They know this and make their TikToc videos showing their triumph.

So for that to work, everyone who comes by boat/lorry/train needs deporting back to the point of departation, no questions asked. Only then will it dry up.

[MadAmster]

Apart from the fact that those who don't qualify when processed in Calais will still just get on the boats anyway. So the problem doesn't disappear, it simply gets focussed on a hardcore of illegals who will know they have to go underground if they survive the journey.

I'd say you need to stop the access to boats by focussing on the supply of smugglers rather than the demand for smugglees.

ah but, yes but, no but....

Hopefully, photos, fingerprinting and conformation of their place of origin will be part of asylum process. Anybody turned down who then tries the small boat route into the UK will be recognised and can be sent back whence they came.

The issue with that is that those who know their chances of being granted asylum are minimal at best will skip the registration process and go straight to the small boat route...