OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[swaledale]

That reads like an essay from someone too keen to submit and not fussed about content, sorry it doesn?t make sense. I?ll trust the Fishing industry assessment, and they think they?ve been shafted. Not saying there aren?t good bits in the deal as I?ve seen
it, can?t see anything about easing the woes around one of my own interests, cross-border musician travel though

Ah yes, you mean the issue you said wasn't an issue when I raised it? Anyway, apparently negotiations are ongoing in this respect.

[Andy_Faber]

What doesn't make sense? The typo where I spelt fast incorrectly?

There's some comment. There's some questions. It's not meant to be a comprehensive solution or explanation.

Here's the summary of the deal as written by SkyNews. Nothing in there to upset folk, IMO.

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-eu-tra...ement-13370912

No not the typo, everyone makes mistakes like that, not least me.

The post seems to jump into making a point without any context, so the ?12 years? comment prompts me to say ?12 years from what exactly?.

[Andy_Faber]

It doesn’t read like an essay at all, basically because it’s only about 220 words long.
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If you are going to be critical, be sure you?re right. Dictionary definition of essay: a short piece of writing on a particular subject.

The last time I quoted a dictionary definition of a word, you suggested I?d made it up, so I have little hope for a clarification of the above on your part but I live in hope

[MadAmster]

No not the typo, everyone makes mistakes like that, not least me.

The post seems to jump into making a point without any context, so the ?12 years? comment prompts me to say ?12 years from what exactly?.

The deal to which my entire post refers is a 12 YEAR EXTENSION on the current deal. It's quite feasible that it's that 12 year extension to which I refer...

[ramAnag]

If you are going to be critical, be sure you?re right. Dictionary definition of essay: a short piece of writing on a particular subject.

The last time I quoted a dictionary definition of a word, you suggested I?d made it up, so I have little hope for a clarification of the above on your part but I live in hope

If I’m going to be critical! That’s good coming from the one who described MA’s post - out of nowhere and incorrectly - as, too keen to submit, unfussed about content and not making sense.

Anyway, here’s your clarification. Look up ‘length of an essay’ and you’ll find that even the shortest essays are a minimum of 300 words and more typically are likely to be 500-1500 words. Hope that helps.

‘A short piece of writing on a particular subject’ is a totally inadequate definition. It would mean that virtually every post on here could be described as an essay. Posts are invariably short and on a particular subject, but they aren’t essays are they?

[Andy_Faber]

If I?m going to be critical! That?s good coming from the one who described MA?s post - out of nowhere and incorrectly - as, too keen to submit, unfussed about content and not making sense.

Anyway, here?s your clarification. Look up ?length of an essay? and you?ll find that even the shortest essays are a minimum of 300 words and more typically are likely to be 500-1500 words. Hope that helps.

?A short piece of writing on a particular subject? is a totally inadequate definition. It would mean that virtually every post on here could be described as an essay. Posts are invariably short and on a particular subject, but they aren?t essays are they?

So in your sadly all-to-frequent habit of trying to undermine me you disagree with the Oxford English Dictionary (essay: a composition of moderate length on any subject) (note no minimum length) and an independent arbiter (deepseek: essays can be as short as 3 paragraphs/150 words)

I?ll take Sam?s word over yours any day

End of discussion from my side

[Geoff Parkstone]

If I?m going to be critical! That?s good coming from the one who described MA?s post - out of nowhere and incorrectly - as, too keen to submit, unfussed about content and not making sense.

Anyway, here?s your clarification. Look up ?length of an essay? and you?ll find that even the shortest essays are a minimum of 300 words and more typically are likely to be 500-1500 words. Hope that helps.

?A short piece of writing on a particular subject? is a totally inadequate definition. It would mean that virtually every post on here could be described as an essay. Posts are invariably short and on a particular subject, but they aren?t essays are they?

Most of Swale's are essays as they typically exceed even the 300 words definition!

[ramAnag]

So in your sadly all-to-frequent habit of trying to undermine me you disagree with the Oxford English Dictionary (essay: a composition of moderate length on any subject) (note no minimum length) and an independent arbiter (deepseek: essays can be as short as 3 paragraphs/150 words)

I?ll take Sam?s word over yours any day

End of discussion from my side

‘All too frequent habit of trying to undermine’ you. Lol. Physician heal thyself.
Who was it who leapt in to unfairly criticise MA’s perfectly valid, rational and intelligent post in the first place?

I’ve written enough over the years to know what constitutes an essay and if I’d ever tried to pass off 220 words as one - from ‘O’ level through to PGCE level - I’d have been very rapidly told about it and failed.

Note you’ve quickly and somewhat slyly changed your definition, in the space of just a couple of posts (or are they essays? ) from ‘short piece of writing’ to ‘a composition of moderate length’ before sloping off yet again to avoid further discussion.
Get a grip, AF. We can all be wrong…and you regularly have been of late.

[Trickytreesreds]

The deal to which my entire post refers is a 12 YEAR EXTENSION on the current deal. It's quite feasible that it's that 12 year extension to which I refer...

arrrh the 12 year extension The very same deal Johnson reluctantly gave the EU on the pretext, that the EU needed time to adjust and get used to less access to UK waters.

We couldn't possibly expect the EU to come to a dead stop, after being given a free reign under the common fisheries policy.
Fast forward 5 years and Starmer, now in the driving seat, capitulates with a deal over twice as long that leaves them free to continue plundering.

Lets just look into what they do plunder shall we?
The three other EU Member States landing the most value from UK waters were:

France (120,000 tonnes, ?171 million)
Netherlands (177,000 tonnes, ?92 million)
Denmark (237,000 tonnes, ?90 million)

The main target fish is mackerel. A prime bait fish. add to that countries like Holland and Denmark,raping the sea bed for sand eels for fertilizer. These bait fish are at the bottom of the food chain and their capture has been one of the main reasons for the decline of main target fish like cod/ Haddock
The government tried to rectify this, but the EU were having none of it. Green policies my arse.
An arbitration court in The Hague has ruled that the UK’s ban on sandeel fishing in English waters, including for EU vessels, breaches the Brexit trade agreement, but upheld restrictions in Scottish waters in a decision that could have wider repercussions for the EU-UK relationship.

In early 2024, the UK government decided to ban sandeel fishing in all English and Scottish seawaters, 97% of which is done by EU vessels – particularly Danish ones.

The move led to a diplomatic row between Brussels and London, on which an arbitration court has now ruled.

The tribunal, set up under the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA), upheld the ban in Scottish waters, but found that the UK had failed to consider the principle of proportionality over its measures in English waters.

Reacting to the news, the UK government said the breach was a “procedural error”.

i first fished at 12 years old in 77. The boat was awash with fish and much of the catch was given to the skipper, in gratitude. Today, you can pay 50-100 quid for a boat trip and may catch a couple of fish, the sea is that dry.

Starmer had a chance to do something here, but he sidled up to his mates, for 0.2% rise, that included more free movement/ more law adhering's / and paying them for the privilege.

Anyway, brilliant, he has just driven more voters into Reforms arms and with Raynor screaming for more tax attacks, the tins are lining up now.

[Trickytreesreds]

[swaledale]

The deal to which my entire post refers is a 12 YEAR EXTENSION on the current deal. It's quite feasible that it's that 12 year extension to which I refer...

That would be too simplistic for him to comprehend!

Anyway as many commentators point out, the reason the EU has the level of access in Uk waters is that UK fishermen sold the licences they had to EU fleets years back!

Lord Heseltine in 2020 - The UK got a lot of licences to fish in our own waters when we joined the European Union... & then we sold those licenses to the Europeans, & that's why they have a bigger share than us.

[swaledale]

So in your sadly all-to-frequent habit of trying to undermine me you disagree with the Oxford English Dictionary (essay: a composition of moderate length on any subject) (note no minimum length) and an independent arbiter (deepseek: essays can be as short as 3 paragraphs/150 words)

I?ll take Sam?s word over yours any day

End of discussion from my side

He doesn't "try" to undermine you, he basically does totally destroy your case and as usual when that happens, which is frequently these days, you retire to lick your wounds.

[swaledale]

So nearly 9 years after Brexit, a common sense solution for the Spain Gibraltar border is agreed, makes you wonder why the Tories weren't able to do it? Oh no, it was because they favoured anti EU ideology over pragmatism.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Actually it doesn't make me wonder anything other than profound disinterest, but whatever turns you on.

[swaledale]

Fair enough, not sure why given your claimed profound disinterest you bothered posting a comment on this thread, but as you say whatever turns you on