OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Trickytreesreds]

I did live there for a quite a while, and despite all it's faults I did enjoy it. It is also a magnet for the talented who totally rejected Brexit. I just don't see where you are going to get the creativity and intelligence to ensure a successful Brexit. Surely not your bog standard IKIP voter and then who have you got apart from yourself and like minded people.

We've already ascertained that you are a pacifistic joke.

Let me put this another way. After WW2, Germany was broke, busted, crushed.

What did we do? We wiped their debts and allowed them to build anew. As a result Germany now runs Europe as it's most powerful economic power.
The EU is its way of controlling europe. The manipulation of its peoples has been going on for decades.
So where are we at?

By mass migration and economic manipulation, is a situation of loss of identity and self determination.
Blair and his labourites opened the flood gates, as has Merkel in Germany.
London is now as close to Islamabad/Krakow/Bucharest as you can get.
Our capitol, is no longer British. Not that I care, I hate the place and detested going there every month.

Ultimately you have to ask yourself why?
Make your own conclusions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne_Prize

[RedBasie]

We've already ascertained that you are a pacifistic joke.

Let me put this another way. After WW2, Germany was broke, busted, crushed.

What did we do? We wiped their debts and allowed them to build anew. As a result Germany now runs Europe as it's most powerful economic power.
The EU is its way of controlling europe. The manipulation of its peoples has been going on for decades.
So where are we at?

By mass migration and economic manipulation, is a situation of loss of identity and self determination.
Blair and his labourites opened the flood gates, as has Merkel in Germany.
London is now as close to Islamabad/Krakow/Bucharest as you can get.
Our capitol, is no longer British. Not that I care, I hate the place and detested going there every month.

Ultimately you have to ask yourself why?
Make your own conclusions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne_Prize

Britain is no longer British. The Irish got out and now the Welsh and Scottish want the same. You don't like the nation's powerhouse and the politicians who have to deliver Brexit against their will and better judgement. I bet you don't even like Geordies, Brummies and the Scouse. Which brings us to the point, who do you like ? It's definitely not foreigners who you also hate and only exist to be bossed over by a fictitious group of[people that don't exist any more only in name.

[Andy_Faber]

'People whingeing', Andy or over 100,000 engaged in apparently entirely peaceful protest about an impending likely and undemocratic catastrophe? I'd have thought today's demonstration in London would have been of major significance. Tbf the BBC eventually gave it about two minutes by 18.30 (US time) this evening. In comparison Britain was 'under attack' a couple of days ago and Trump had been in urgent contact with Mrs. May. Not belittling that incident for those who were killed or injured at all, but a crazy crim armed with an SUV and a knife hardly constitutes a nation under attack. Strange slants that gets put on news these days...bet it would have been all over the TV had the protest turned nasty.

general consensus, plus the eyewitness account of my friend Mouse who was there, suggests 25,000, many of which in his opinion were (like him) the 'hard core' of protestors who will march for anything. Leave the exaggeration to Swale! And the attendance is irrelevant anyway, be it a thousand or a million, IMO they are still whingeing, IYO they aren't.

I do think describing the perp of the London incident as 'a crazy crim' IS belitting the incident by the way....

[ramAnag]

general consensus, plus the eyewitness account of my friend Mouse who was there, suggests 25,000, many of which in his opinion were (like him) the 'hard core' of protestors who will march for anything. Leave the exaggeration to Swale! And the attendance is irrelevant anyway, be it a thousand or a million, IMO they are still whingeing, IYO they aren't.

I do think describing the perp of the London incident as 'a crazy crim' IS belitting the incident by the way....

All fair points. My only issue was that, viewing from afar it was interesting to get that perspective. Your eyewitness is obviously a good source but the 'Britain under Attack' headline over here...with Trump ready to gallop to the rescue, did seem more than a little OTT. I know it was enormously important for the people involved and I'm really not belittling that aspect at all, but the person involved was, as I understand it, a home grown criminal in his fifties who was born in Kent with the name Adrian Elms. A little like the person who murdered Jo Cox this appears to be an attack by a somewhat crazed individual with God knows what as motivation. Thankfully it seems to have been a very far cry from the attacks on London twelve years ago or the more recent atrocities in Brussels, Paris and Berlin.

[Andy_Faber]

All fair points. My only issue was that, viewing from afar it was interesting to get that perspective. Your eyewitness is obviously a good source but the 'Britain under Attack' headline over here...with Trump ready to gallop to the rescue, did seem more than a little OTT. I know it was enormously important for the people involved and I'm really not belittling that aspect at all, but the person involved was, as I understand it, a home grown criminal in his fifties who was born in Kent with the name Adrian Elms. A little like the person who murdered Jo Cox this appears to be an attack by a somewhat crazed individual with God knows what as motivation. Thankfully it seems to have been a very far cry from the attacks on London twelve years ago or the more recent atrocities in Brussels, Paris and Berlin.

You're right, they are the same, extreme individuals killing in the name of a twisted ideology and I excuse neither. But are you old enough to remember the days of the IRA bombings? There was no doubt then, in anyone's mind as far as I can recall, that (mainland) Britain was under attack.

Pretty sickening too to see/hear the usual apologists creeping out of the woodwork on TV and radio yesterday, led as usual by Baroness Warsi

[AdiSalisbury]

I must take a pride in taking part in a protest/rally despite the fact that Margaret Thatcher at that time had placed a total ban on all protests/rallies unless they could be shown as scientific and educational which of course we did. It was a great day out which was attended by 100000. Any idea what the the protest/rally was about?

Nope, what was it? The right to protest? Or the reinstatement of Cloughie to Rams manager?

I don't have anything against it in principle, the right to protest is part of our democracy that I believe important. But when you see the same mummy's boy protesting every week with his collection of protest boards / banners, it's hard to take "his" cause seriously. A few thousand protesters is run of the mill, and has lost it's effect. A million might get some notice, or a large protest outside of London where it will get coverage would probably have more effect. But the weekly march outside Westminster is practically a tourist attraction. A bit like these online petitions that keep going around.

[RedBasie]

Nope, what was it? The right to protest? Or the reinstatement of Cloughie to Rams manager?

I don't have anything against it in principle, the right to protest is part of our democracy that I believe important. But when you see the same mummy's boy protesting every week with his collection of protest boards / banners, it's hard to take "his" cause seriously. A few thousand protesters is run of the mill, and has lost it's effect. A million might get some notice, or a large protest outside of London where it will get coverage would probably have more effect. But the weekly march outside Westminster is practically a tourist attraction. A bit like these online petitions that keep going around.

It was the third of a series of Save The Whale rallies, which did lead to a world wide moratorium of the hunting of certain types of whale. Only the Japanese did not cooperate by insisting on a thousand a year quota for scientific research. However due to harassment of their whaling fleet by the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society and a recent court ruling that a thousand a year is excessive I'm not sure what their future plans are.

[AdiSalisbury]

It was the third of a series of Save The Whale rallies, which did lead to a world wide moratorium of the hunting of certain types of whale. Only the Japanese did not cooperate by insisting on a thousand a year quota for scientific research. However due to harassment of their whaling fleet by the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society and a recent court ruling that a thousand a year is excessive I'm not sure what their future plans are.

A good cause and positive result. Would it have had the same effect now though? There have been regular protests against badger culls in recent times, that have had no effect at all.

[Ram59]

We're coming up to Easter, when the students and teachers have their annual protest march. Any ideas what it might be for this year?

[Andy_Faber]

We're coming up to Easter, when the students and teachers have their annual protest march. Any ideas what it might be for this year?

'Students Against Pocahontas As A Rag Week Fancy Dress Character' (is a TRUE one, I kid you not)

[ramAnag]

Absolutely my point Andy - and yes I'm certainly old enough to remember - in the days of the IRA I certainly felt we were 'under attack' and again twelve years ago I felt much the same. Although last week's incident must feel much the same for the individuals who were injured and killed these 'twisted individual' attacks do seem different and oddly there was very little in the way of 'support' being offered by the Americans when the Irish were responsible.

I thought teachers and students had annual Easter conferences not marches Ram59.

[AdiSalisbury]

... oddly there was very little in the way of 'support' being offered by the Americans when the Irish were responsible.

They were very supportive, where else would the IRA get funding?

Personally, I find the IRA a lot more frightening, mostly due to the (for want of a better term) professionalism of their attacks.

[roger_ramjet]

So the deed is done. I presume the flag is at half mast at Mangara Towers. Let us hope now that the hard line starts to soften once the process begins. At least we can see some humour in pissing off the scotch: fun to hear that SNP guy whingeing in parliament this morning! "Wah wah, the Scotch voted against brexit and noone did what the Scotch told them to" - well, thats what you call democracy not Scotch fascism!!

[roger_ramjet]

Almost fallen off the front page. To restore it to all its glory, here is an interesting observation on Brexit which I think somes it up rather nicely:

"Letters have a chequered history. Henry VIII’s letter to the Pope asking for a divorce precipitated the break with Rome, while Neville Chamberlain’s 1939 letter to Hitler became just one more badge of his ineffectiveness in Europe. The contents of Theresa May’s six-page EU divorce notification, which arrived in Brussels last Thursday, might be remembered as anything from a hopelessly optimistic act of self-harm to the dawn of a new age of opportunity for the UK. Either way, it was a historic moment."

What I also find interesting to note is that in the Great Repeal Bill, Theresa May is given Henry VIII powers - ie it gives powers to the prime minister enabling her to change many laws without parliament’s consent. Thus perhaps she can now wield more executive authority than any other PM in living memory - possibly only matched by those given to Churchill when he last tried to sort Europe out.

So she is now in a trump like position with his executive orders. Maybe she can rebuild the wall to Scotland!

[Andy_Faber]

Almost fallen off the front page. To restore it to all its glory, here is an interesting observation on Brexit which I think somes it up rather nicely:

"Letters have a chequered history. Henry VIII’s letter to the Pope asking for a divorce precipitated the break with Rome, while Neville Chamberlain’s 1939 letter to Hitler became just one more badge of his ineffectiveness in Europe. The contents of Theresa May’s six-page EU divorce notification, which arrived in Brussels last Thursday, might be remembered as anything from a hopelessly optimistic act of self-harm to the dawn of a new age of opportunity for the UK. Either way, it was a historic moment."

What I also find interesting to note is that in the Great Repeal Bill, Theresa May is given Henry VIII powers - ie it gives powers to the prime minister enabling her to change many laws without parliament’s consent. Thus perhaps she can now wield more executive authority than any other PM in living memory - possibly only matched by those given to Churchill when he last tried to sort Europe out.

So she is now in a trump like position with his executive orders. Maybe she can rebuild the wall to Scotland!

I was disappointed that my suggestion to an editor friend to use the strapline 'The Dear Jean Letter' on the momentous day last week was ignored. Mind you, he edits a music magazine so I can understand