OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Geoff Parkstone]

Then again BoJo and Reesmog (he should come from Middlesbro with a name like that) probably have several houses, so whats the problem with the odd one burning down.

Problem is that if you don't have a credible threat with which to renegotiate brexit, we will still get the brino that MA refers to. "The people" asked for brexit, most of the politicians don't want it, the EU wont renegotiate it properly and now we try to re negotiate it with a hand or two tied behind our back. Total balls up. Might as well give up now. BJ therefore needs to find a scapegoat so he can say "we tried but those pesky kids wouldn't let us" to avoid annihilation at the imminent election. Corbyn et al are handing him one on a plate. Likely pyrrhic victory as both parties fall into disrepute with a big chunk of their own supporters

Trying to see anything good coming out of this whole debacle may be difficult, but perhaps the electoral destruction of both our two major parties might be some cold comfort.

[AdiSalisbury]

do you like that line bringing us back on topic Adi?

Absolutely, can't be spamming the thread now can we? Unless you're RA, who has stockpiled spam under his rose bush, in preparation for our impending no deal starvation risk

[AngryRam]

Yes we will have to beg to suffer If your not prepared to counter my argument and put a case for Trump not being a racist Personally in not interested in what people accepted in 60/70s we live in 2019 now They used to send boys up chimneys but doubt we except it nowadays

I did in some small way counter a point about Trump being a racist.. The Mexicans. Not sure if it was you or the drama queen who quoted that as an example. Can't be arsed to look.
You could counter my point, or not bother.. Means little to me, hence I said we should stay away from the topic.

[AngryRam]

Same old Angry...same old strategy.
Doesn’t like being challenged so rapidly resorts to rudeness and abuse.
If you want to debate...fine. If you don’t I won’t waste my time and I’ll answer GP’s more articulate point instead.

PMSL..
Adi will translate that for you.

[ramAnag]

Then again BoJo and Reesmog (he should come from Middlesbro with a name like that) probably have several houses, so whats the problem with the odd one burning down.

Problem is that if you don't have a credible threat with which to renegotiate brexit, we will still get the brino that MA refers to. "The people" asked for brexit, most of the politicians don't want it, the EU wont renegotiate it properly and now we try to re negotiate it with a hand or two tied behind our back. Total balls up. Might as well give up now. BJ therefore needs to find a scapegoat so he can say "we tried but those pesky kids wouldn't let us" to avoid annihilation at the imminent election. Corbyn et al are handing him one on a plate. Likely pyrrhic victory as both parties fall into disrepute with a big chunk of their own supporters

Trying to see anything good coming out of this whole debacle may be difficult, but perhaps the electoral destruction of both our two major parties might be some cold comfort.

Correction...some of the people ‘advised’ that they supported Brexit, many of them having been deliberately misled.

Is it a ‘credible threat’ GP? What is the point of having a threat which everyone knows you don’t want to use because it damages the UK more than the EU?

[ramAnag]

PMSL..
Adi will translate that for you.

Why I’d need Adi to ‘translate’ escapes me...does seem to be happening to you a lot these days though.
Might I suggest incontinence pants...or, given your capacity for childish tantrums, a nappy perhaps.

[mistaram]

I did in some small way counter a point about Trump being a racist.. The Mexicans. Not sure if it was you or the drama queen who quoted that as an example. Can't be arsed to look.
You could counter my point, or not bother.. Means little to me, hence I said we should stay away from the topic.

You could have been my lad in a strop with that post Whatever

[AdiSalisbury]

Does any of this matter any more? It's doesn't seem likely we'll leave, so we'll be staying and suffering the consequences.

Tory's will lose a spot election, and even worse: Corbyn will take charge of a coalition Lib / Labour government, destroying any current and future prospects we have.

All of our employment rights will be stripped back to the bare EU minimum to try and encourage industry to recoup the damage he does; that's less holiday, no redundancy pay, no minimum wage, no right to a fair dismissal, no deduction of wages protection, no union industrial action protection, no parental / paternity rights, reduction of maternity provision, loss of flexible working rights... good old friendly EU protection yeah?

Think Brexit is a risk? Just wait til that **** gets in charge.

[Trickytreesreds]

Does any of this matter any more? It's doesn't seem likely we'll leave, so we'll be staying and suffering the consequences.

Tory's will lose a spot election, and even worse: Corbyn will take charge of a coalition Lib / Labour government, destroying any current and future prospects we have.

All of our employment rights will be stripped back to the bare EU minimum to try and encourage industry to recoup the damage he does; that's less holiday, no redundancy pay, no minimum wage, no right to a fair dismissal, no deduction of wages protection, no union industrial action protection, no parental / paternity rights, reduction of maternity provision, loss of flexible working rights... good old friendly EU protection yeah?

Think Brexit is a risk? Just wait til that **** gets in charge.

Just to clarify for those who think the MP's are acting honourably.

17.4 leave 16.1 leave

constituency

406 leave 242 remain

constituency by party
Labour 148 leave 84 Remain
Tories 247 leave 80 Remain

Regions
9 leave 3 remain

by MP's
160 leave 486 Remain

I think I can see the problem, but I am a right wing/nazi/xenophobic/racist/little Englander
So I could be wrong

[Manofpride]

If we remain in the EU and it all goes tits up, the remoaners will still say it's the fault of Brexit.
Even though the people of the UK won the vote and wanted to leave the Government didn't.

To go out and vote for anything now would be of no purpose. Why would anyone vote again, just let the Government decide.

[ramAnag]

If we remain in the EU and it all goes tits up, the remoaners will still say it's the fault of Brexit.
Even though the people of the UK won the vote and wanted to leave the Government didn't.

To go out and vote for anything now would be of no purpose. Why would anyone vote again, just let the Government decide.

We disagree over Brexit MoP, but we’ve never been disrespectful to each other so I’ll respond respectfully.

‘Why would anyone vote again, just let the Government decide?’ I think that’s what Johnson and Rees-Mogg wanted but substitute ‘Government’ for Parliament and that’s the system of governance our society lives by isn’t it...Parliamentary Democracy.

I obviously don’t think it will ‘all go tits up’ if we remain but we’re still a long way from that...given the changing circumstances though there are two questions you might want to try and answer.
1. Why does the £ always rise as a hard Brexit becomes less likely and fall when Johnson, Cummings and ‘no deal’ appear in the ascendency e.g. the whole of the summer?
2. Why have Leavers remained so adamantly opposed to a second referendum? That was surely the way forward...a better informed public debate leading to a binding second referendum...but Leavers wouldn’t hear of it.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I can see things going tits up if Corbyn rides the wave of anti Tory sentiment and somehow contrives to get into power

[ramAnag]

I can see things going tits up if Corbyn rides the wave of anti Tory sentiment and somehow contrives to get into power

Avoiding a ‘no deal’ Brexit is not synonymous with Corbyn becoming PM, Geoff.
Throughout this debate you have veered to and fro between Remain and Leave, sometimes mischievously sometimes very astutely, but this time please let MoP answer first.
It’s his thread and he is one of the few Brexiteers on here who makes his point without rancour.

[swaledale]

If we remain in the EU and it all goes tits up, the remoaners will still say it's the fault of Brexit.
Even though the people of the UK won the vote and wanted to leave the Government didn't.

To go out and vote for anything now would be of no purpose. Why would anyone vote again, just let the Government decide.

One small problem, the people of the UK did not "win the vote", 37% voted and 52% voted to leave - they voted to leave on the basis that a deal with the Eu would to quote leading Brexiteers be "easy" and to quote another, by Brexit day we would have "40 trade deals agreed" That puts aside the lies about £350 million for the NHS and other such trifling falsehoods.

In truth it wasn't that the government didn't want Brexit, but that they wanted to leave with a deal as promised by the Brexiteers in the referendum would happen - in fact all along there has been a cabal of extreme right wing rich unaccountable people who have been aiming for a no deal Brexit, because that will be in their interests, but not in the interests of the Uk citizen.

And BUT for the machinations of those arch hard Brexiteers, the Uk would have left the EU by now under the withdrawal agreement and now we would be negotiating an actual trade deal, but no that wasn't good enough for them.

Now lets look at that Referendum, it was leave by a narrow majority, would it have been leave if the Brexiteers had told the truth? That we should leave without a deal and destroy this country's economy? I don't believe so, but even if it was, those 48% have a right to be represented and any Brexit should be a compromise, which means leaving with a deal.

[swaledale]

Does any of this matter any more? It's doesn't seem likely we'll leave, so we'll be staying and suffering the consequences.

Tory's will lose a spot election, and even worse: Corbyn will take charge of a coalition Lib / Labour government, destroying any current and future prospects we have.

All of our employment rights will be stripped back to the bare EU minimum to try and encourage industry to recoup the damage he does; that's less holiday, no redundancy pay, no minimum wage, no right to a fair dismissal, no deduction of wages protection, no union industrial action protection, no parental / paternity rights, reduction of maternity provision, loss of flexible working rights... good old friendly EU protection yeah?

Think Brexit is a risk? Just wait til that **** gets in charge.

I have never read such a load of piffle as your post! You have just described what brexit is all about, perhaps you need to understand reality? Blimey, Johnson lies, waffles and demonstrates an alarming lack of grasp what truth is, but you are a league above!