OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Andy_Faber]

Take your point completely, Andy but she has also been at the forefront of the campaign for a ‘People’s Vote’.

If I stop saying ‘will of the people’ will you stop saying ‘people’s vote’? What the **** else are referendums? Although we might get more clarity if we got our pets to vote....

[ramAnag]

If I stop saying ‘will of the people’ will you stop saying ‘people’s vote’? What the **** else are referendums? Although we might get more clarity if we got our pets to vote....

Sorry...it was a quote, not my terminology, but...yes.

[Andy_Faber]

Sorry...it was a quote, not my terminology, but...yes.

And so we take the first baby step on the long road to compromise...

[ramAnag]

And so we take the first baby step on the long road to compromise...

You and I have always been capable of compromise, Andy.
It’s those politicians with careers that hinge on the outcome of Brexit and/or the next election that we have to be wary of, along with those that blindly follow them.

Tbf...I think the phrase ‘People’s Vote’ was one coined by the LibDems to clearly differentiate between an outcome reached via a second Referendum and one directed by the tactics of our PM, Dominic Cummings and the unscrupulous (imo) ERG but I do take your point.

[MadAmster]

What a mess. They all say they want a General Election. BoJo wants it on 12/12. LibDems and SNP want 9/12. Labour don't seem to know when they want it but they do know they want No Deal off the table before they agree to one....... I, in my innocence, thought the Benn Law already had No Deal off the table.......

I saw a video on YT earlier today. Whether you agree with the figures or not, the guy said 17.4M people voted out and under the rules of the referendum, because only 16.1M voted to remain, the public vote was to leave. He went on to say that the only reason the UK is still in the EU is that the establishment don't like the outcome of the referendum. 70% of MPs don't want out. He then mentioned 2 other demographic establishment groups, whose "names" I forget at 70% and 90% not wanting Brexit.

That is the problem in a nutshell he said.

[Geoff Parkstone]

If I stop saying ‘will of the people’ will you stop saying ‘people’s vote’? What the **** else are referendums? Although we might get more clarity if we got our pets to vote....

I have five goldfish, so there's 5 votes for remain 😏

[ramAnag]

‘I, in my innocence, thought the Benn Law already had No Deal off the table.....’

Me too, MA but there you have it...the right wingers disparagingly refer to it as the ‘surrender bill’ and Johnson does his best to ignore it even though - like you - I thought it had become law.

My biggest problem with an election is that it’ll most likely simply result in another ‘hung Parliament’ but it also probably represents the last chance saloon for the likes of Corbyn, Johnson and Farage who surely can’t fail to win a seat for an eighth time and still expect to be taken seriously.

I also thought GE’s were always held on a Thursday but given the 9-12th argument apparently not, so...given that they seem to be hell bent on holding an election around the darkest and possibly coldest time of the year wouldn’t it make sense to hold it on a Sunday giving people the maximum opportunity to vote?

[Geoff Parkstone]

But surely as a remainder you want a cold and wet blustery day, as that will keep the elderly indoors, reducing the brexiteer vote?

But, seriously, you don't want an election in the summer because of people being on holiday, you don't want in the winter because it's cold. Then there is the "tricky for students" argument. Is that how low in priority you think democracy is to people?

If people want to vote, they will and giving them more time to do something that takes a minute to do because it's cold is frankly ludicrous, if not rather patronising.

You consistently seek an affirmative vote on Brexit, and when it's offered, then you moan that it's cold and dark when it happens.....

[ramAnag]

But surely as a remainder you want a cold and wet blustery day, as that will keep the elderly indoors, reducing the brexiteer vote?

But, seriously, you don't want an election in the summer because of people being on holiday, you don't want in the winter because it's cold. Then there is the "tricky for students" argument. Is that how low in priority you think democracy is to people?

If people want to vote, they will and giving them more time to do something that takes a minute to do because it's cold is frankly ludicrous, if not rather patronising.

You consistently seek an affirmative vote on Brexit, and when it's offered, then you moan that it's cold and dark when it happens.....

I’m not moaning at all Geoffrey.

The only point I’m making is that short, dark, cold days are not conducive to a large turn out in probably the most important election we’ve had in recent memory.

Maybe it’s a tad European to make Election Day a Sunday but I do believe that democracy owes it to the electorate to maximise the opportunity to vote and yes that includes students and those amongst the elderly who - maybe not so much in leafy Surrey - are not keen on venturing out after dark which, I think, is about 4.15 in mid December.

Anything wrong with that?

[ramAnag]

But surely as a remainder you want a cold and wet blustery day, as that will keep the elderly indoors, reducing the brexiteer vote?

But, seriously, you don't want an election in the summer because of people being on holiday, you don't want in the winter because it's cold. Then there is the "tricky for students" argument. Is that how low in priority you think democracy is to people?

If people want to vote, they will and giving them more time to do something that takes a minute to do because it's cold is frankly ludicrous, if not rather patronising.

You consistently seek an affirmative vote on Brexit, and when it's offered, then you moan that it's cold and dark when it happens.....

I’m not moaning at all Geoffrey.

The only point I’m making is that short, dark, cold days are not conducive to a large turn out in probably the most important election we’ve had in recent memory.

Maybe it’s a tad European to make Election Day a Sunday but I do believe that democracy owes it to the electorate to maximise the opportunity to vote and yes that includes students and those amongst the elderly who - maybe not so much in leafy Surrey - are not keen on venturing out after dark which, I think, is about 4.15 in mid December.

Anything wrong with that?

[mistaram]

But surely as a remainder you want a cold and wet blustery day, as that will keep the elderly indoors, reducing the brexiteer vote?

But, seriously, you don't want an election in the summer because of people being on holiday, you don't want in the winter because it's cold. Then there is the "tricky for students" argument. Is that how low in priority you think democracy is to people?

If people want to vote, they will and giving them more time to do something that takes a minute to do because it's cold is frankly ludicrous, if not rather patronising.

You consistently seek an affirmative vote on Brexit, and when it's offered, then you moan that it's cold and dark when it happens.....

Your goldfish will not won't to be out in the cold , so there's five votes gone Unless they get a postal vote

[Geoff Parkstone]

They all voted for Mr Fish finger when he stood against the then LibDem leader in Westmorland and Lonsdale at the 2017 election. Against all odds Farron won the seat but the fishes reduced his majority. His nanifesto included:

I will work to provide a better education system for students. Free fishing rods for everyone";

"No tax on chip shops and restaurants";

And for the NHS, "more fish fingers on hospital menus, and free fish for NHS staff. Free training for nurses".

He is fully codmmitted to Brexit

[Geoff Parkstone]

Ah yes, the return of fish puns to the thread, and this time I have a new one.

rA, I don't really mind what day the election takes plaice, in fact it can be any day barramundi, because that's pub quiz night. So I will leave it up to the raymainers to sort out (or is it roemainers?)

[mistaram]

Ah yes, the return of fish puns to the thread, and this time I have a new one.

rA, I don't really mind what day the election takes plaice, in fact it can be any day barramundi, because that's pub quiz night. So I will leave it up to the raymainers to sort out (or is it roemainers?)

(romainers) that's a gudgeon Geoff how do you think Sturgeon will get on Can't see Salmon even getting selected Think that Grayling has know chance

[Geoff Parkstone]

Grayling? Eel do ok