OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Trickytreesreds]

Your being a tad opaque in your interpretation and I might add surprisingly naive. Everything is about politics and the EEC and then the EU are no different, how can nation states can work together economically and otherwise without politics being involved? Politics is in every human activity from the playground to the office and beyond.

The Union was and is successful, it has had its failures, but then any organisation run by humans has failures, the so called Great Britain has had more than its fair share of failures and disgraceful events over the years, I truly laugh when nationalist zealots (not you admittedly) put the UK on a pedestal as being superior to foreign nations.

We all it seems are willing to blame politicians for the ills of the world, but who elects them? Who is it that spews out piffle about complex issues, who think its so simple to sort out complex issues and satisfy everybody? Us thats who!

Churchill ( a great war time leader of a government united in one objective but useless afterwards) reluctance stems from the UK's delusion that it was too big a power to need to join the EEC, a point rather destroyed by the Suez and other fiascos!

The fact is that the political and economic disputes that led to the previous two world wars were played out within the EEC and then the EU, much welcome jaw jaw rather than war war, countries with economic and political ties are much less likely to get into armed conflict with one another.

The EU parliament was not superior to the UK, the UK agreed voluntarily to accept certain rules and regulations, as is the case when you agree an organisation or club where you agree to work together for common interests. The UK was one of the most enthusiastic contributors of rules and regulations adopted by the EU in fact!

If you don't like the club your in and abiding by its rules and regulations, then you leave, BUT you cannot expect to get the same benefits you enjoyed whilst being a member of that club. The Brexiteers said it would be the easiest trade deal done in months, because they thought the EU could not survive without the UK, they are finding out that is not the case, sure a club loses when a member leaves there are winners and losers on both sides.

AS for there being no implosion as that utter dickhead Tricky has posted - we are still in the transition period, we have the same terms at the moment.

Coming from a bad tempered c0ckbadger, I'm highly touched
Of course you have more faces than a Rubiks cube. One minute you're the fighting champoin of the common man, then you're an Im all right jack Richard Branson. You couldn't make it up.
Total ****.

Of course that non implosion has been compromised by Fishing/EU law,rules alignments being demanded. But al least they managed to drop the cries for Gibraltar and the marbles.

Keep going gobby, it's hilarious

[swaledale]

Coming from a bad tempered c0ckbadger, I'm highly touched
Of course you have more faces than a Rubiks cube. One minute you're the fighting champoin of the common man, then you're an Im all right jack Richard Branson. You couldn't make it up.
Total ****.

Of course that non implosion has been compromised by Fishing/EU law,rules alignments being demanded. But al least they managed to drop the cries for Gibraltar and the marbles.

Keep going gobby, it's hilarious

Oh dear the Forum idiot has appeared again. I'll ask you one question - on average how much do you earn a month? Then we'll be able to work out who is the ignorant **** and who actually knows what reality is!

[Trickytreesreds]

Oh dear the Forum idiot has appeared again. I'll ask you one question - on average how much do you earn a month? Then we'll be able to work out who is the ignorant **** and who actually knows what reality is!

And there ladies and gentlemen you have it.
Arrogance and superiority complex syndrome.
No wonder you love the EU Swale. You'd fit right in.
you couldn't make it up

[Manofpride]

And there ladies and gentlemen you have it.
Arrogance and superiority complex syndrome.
No wonder you love the EU Swale. You'd fit right in.
you couldn't make it up

You're wasting your time Tricky, we all know what he is. He's got the biggest house, biggest brain, a higher IQ than Ainan Celeste Cawley, got more money than Bill Gates, you know the sort! if it's black he'll say it's white. He's never been wrong in his life and never will be, according to him!

[Geoff Parkstone]

Yes curiously in the world of Swale net income and ignorance are directly linked. So since many of the high earners reputedly favoured Brexit, as did the low earners by and large, where does that leave us?

[Trickytreesreds]

You're wasting your time Tricky, we all know what he is. He's got the biggest house, biggest brain, a higher IQ than Ainan Celeste Cawley, got more money than Bill Gates, you know the sort! if it's black he'll say it's white. He's never been wrong in his life and never will be, according to him!

It's ok MOP, I think he's hilarious.
He pretends to be the peoples champion, then acts like the very person he pretends to detest like a Rees Mogg.

The EU does nothing for low paid people but suppress wages and spread unemployment. People at the high end of the ladder are treated like royalty. So which one is he?

Seems to me, he's a closet George Soros. I've got loads of cash, but you must vote to keep people like me in the lap of luxury I've become accumstomed to. After all, you peasants know nothing.

Father, forgive them. For they know not what they do.

Luke 23-34

[Geoff Parkstone]

Father into your hands
why have you forsaken me
In your eyes forsaken me
In your thoughts forsaken me
In your heart forsaken, me oh
Trust in my self righteous suicide

Chop Suey - System of a Down

[MadAmster]

Yes curiously in the world of Swale net income and ignorance are directly linked. So since many of the high earners reputedly favoured Brexit, as did the low earners by and large, where does that leave us?

Here, I think, Geoff....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMAIsqvTh7g

[ramAnag]

Here, I think, Geoff....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMAIsqvTh7g

Great song ‘Amster!

Moving on and away from all the personalised crap...I’ve just spent about ninety minutes driving while listening to Nicky Campbell on R5L.
The topic for most of that time was Coronavirus and at least 50% of that time seemed to be taken up with stressing the importance of washing hands etc. NSS!!!
The Remainers on here have taken no end of stick for being arrogant and condescending about Brexit but can that really be the case when listeners - aka the electorate - apparently need advice on hand washing and tissue disposal in order to prevent the spread of a virus?

[Geoff Parkstone]

I bet brexiteers never wash their hands, base dirty people

[Trickytreesreds]

Great song ‘Amster!

Moving on and away from all the personalised crap...I’ve just spent about ninety minutes driving while listening to Nicky Campbell on R5L.
The topic for most of that time was Coronavirus and at least 50% of that time seemed to be taken up with stressing the importance of washing hands etc. NSS!!!
The Remainers on here have taken no end of stick for being arrogant and condescending about Brexit but can that really be the case when listeners - aka the electorate - apparently need advice on hand washing and tissue disposal in order to prevent the spread of a virus?

Errrrrrrrrrrrm, it's their job?

Are you telling us that all NHS staff/doctors should stop telling people not to smoke/drink/eat chips/do drugs etc?
Contrary to what you might think. Spreading disease is probably more in the hands of the young than anyone. They mix more, travel more, interact(cough) more than anyone.
Yet since when have the young taken advice and common sense to heart?
If you don't keep stating the obvious, it gets ignored.
QED

[ramAnag]

=Trickytreesreds;39443686]Errrrrrrrrrrrm, it's their job?

Are you telling us that all NHS staff/doctors should stop telling people not to smoke/drink/eat chips/do drugs etc?
Contrary to what you might think. Spreading disease is probably more in the hands of the young than anyone. They mix more, travel more, interact(cough) more than anyone.
Yet since when have the young taken advice and common sense to heart?
If you don't keep stating the obvious, it gets ignored.
QED

So the young ‘travel and cough more’ than anyone else...lol...really!!?
My point has nothing to do with the young, and while I understand that Swale shot himself in the foot with his ‘earnings related intelligence’ jibe at you a couple of days ago, even you must surely recognise the paradox.
On the one hand your ‘power to the people’ mentality suggests that the electorate is capable of reaching an objective decision on something as complex as Brexit while, literally weeks later, the very same people have to have explained to them the importance of hand washing and how to use a tissue.

[Trickytreesreds]

So the young ‘travel and cough more’ than anyone else...lol...really!!?
My point has nothing to do with the young, and while I understand that Swale shot himself in the foot with his ‘earnings related intelligence’ jibe at you a couple of days ago, even you must surely recognise the paradox.
On the one hand your ‘power to the people’ mentality suggests that the electorate is capable of reaching an objective decision on something as complex as Brexit while, literally weeks later, the very same people have to have explained to them the importance of hand washing and how to use a tissue.

And that is exactly the sort of answer the left /liberal would throw at the likes of Johnson in order to score points.

Don't say anything and they'd be up in arms at the governments lack of preventative action.
Say something and you're patronising us.

Don't go to floods and you're being evasive and uncaring.
Go and you'll get shouted at and accused of doing nothing even if you have assigned your underlings to the job.

So great sage, what would you do?
Repeat the obvious like all NHS nurses do, over and over?
Or say **** all and let it run riot?

Remind me again, isn't education the life blood of society? Surely you would be championing this?
I think you let your own personal anti Tory/Johnson bias, cloud your brain at times, at really do.

[ramAnag]

Tricky, Tricky, Tricky...stop trying - and failing - to put words in my mouth and searching for a fight.

Where have I even mentioned Johnson or the Government, let alone blamed them? Answer...I haven’t.

My point is quite simple...it isn’t really even political let alone even vaguely ‘left/liberal’ it’s just observational...isn’t it a bit odd that in December the electorate are seen as being capable of being trusted - at all costs - with all the complexities of Brexit and yet by February they apparently need advice on how to wash their hands and use tissues properly.

I’m not trying to be a ‘great sage’ as your favourite expression repeatedly goes, but tell me you don’t see any sort of contradiction there when the electorate is entrusted with a monumental economic/political decision one month but has to have it’s proverbial hand held - no...better cancel that - over basic hygiene a few weeks later.

[MadAmster]

Had my annual MOT at my GPs last month. Apart from being a stone and a half or so overweight I'm doing fine. Yet again, they focused on that one thing. Watch your diet, drink less alcohol, exercise more. I then produced the ammunition. I showed them my alcohol intake from the previous 8 weeks minus the usual Xmas and New Year excesses. Showed food portion sizes reduced from the year before, reduced amounts of carb intake. During the summer between 150 and 200 Km a week cycling. In the winter 2 and occasionally 3 games a month as ref, covering an average of around 10Km per game. I closed that portion of the discussion with..... and I aint cutting down further.

Then I brought the big guns out. 4 of the 9 meds I was on have weight gain as a possible side effect. Result? They have stopped one of the meds and halved the dose of a second one. Upshot of that is half a stone loss in 4 weeks despite a 5 day weekend of celebrating my 66th birthday last weekend. I fully expect the weight loss to continue, especially now the better weather is on the way and I can get back out on the racing bike again.

The point of this? I am getting benefit out of doing my doctor's job for him rather than taking the crap thrown at me each year. Education IS the life blood of society but it isn't just Joe Public that needs educating, by any stretch of the imagination. Once you hit a certain age the doc always says "it's an age thing", no matter what the issue is. Education is a 2 way street. We should not only be educated by the press and the media (and doctors and others) but we also have a duty to educate others in the same wway I have educated my doctor. We are now looking at another one of my meds which has tinnitus as a side effect. Can we safely drop it or is there a good alternative I could try?

The point I think you both want to make is that education should be a daily part of life but that it should, in no way, be condescending.

On the other hand I might have this all wrong