OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[macstheman]

Haha, you caught me red handed!

The English Language strikes again! Take a line or a sentence out of context and you get a totally different interpretation. A Politicians favourite tactic.

Mmmm..... perhaps I didn't take it out of context......

[MadAmster]

Swale's Post #6629 is spot on IMO.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Happy Christmas one and all, and for rA, here is something tasty for you to eat this Christmas from that nice Mr Johnson:

[Andy_Faber]

Happy Christmas one and all, and for rA, here is something tasty for you to eat this Christmas from that nice Mr Johnson:

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As moderator I should give you thirty days in the hole for that...

[ramAnag]

As moderator I should give you thirty days in the hole for that...

Lol...as rA, I don’t care. It’s actually funny...still smacks of ‘Desperation’ to me, but we’ll see.
I can only agree with MA’s earlier post about the Grinch’s earlier post.
Happy Christmas.

[Geoff Parkstone]

As moderator I should give you thirty days in the hole for that...

I'll take the Black Nepalese and Newcastle Brown with me but you can keep the greasy whore....

[swaledale]

So as I thought we have a deal! Johnsons bluster was just that, whilst better than no deal its certainly a poor deal and a sad reflection on democracy when one considers the 48 -52 difference in the vote.


The contents of the deal are unclear and the proximity of the 31 December deadline leaves little time to understand the new arrangements, let alone scrutinise the detail. That was Johnson’s approach all along, he will have conceded too much for the Eurosceptic MP's in his party but no matter it will get approved. Though if Starmer has any nouse he will have his MP's abstain from approval, Labour should have no ownership of this farce!

Johnson does not want this deal to be examined. It is certain that it will result in an immediate downgrade for the UK economy. That is a function of leaving the single market and customs union. Trade volumes will decrease. Supply chains will be disrupted. Jobs will be lost. Foreign investment will reduce, now the Uk is no longer a bridge to europe. It doesn't include our biggest earner, Financial Services.

It will be cringeworthy watching the lying Johnson talk of victory, of achieving a "great deal" wouldn't be surprised if the term "world beating " is used! World beating? mm only in terms of shooting oneself in ones foot economically!

Ah well onwards to the new future

[Andy_Faber]

So as I thought we have a deal! Johnsons bluster was just that, whilst better than no deal its certainly a poor deal and a sad reflection on democracy when one considers the 48 -52 difference in the vote.


The contents of the deal are unclear and the proximity of the 31 December deadline leaves little time to understand the new arrangements, let alone scrutinise the detail. That was Johnson’s approach all along, he will have conceded too much for the Eurosceptic MP's in his party but no matter it will get approved. Though if Starmer has any nouse he will have his MP's abstain from approval, Labour should have no ownership of this farce!

Johnson does not want this deal to be examined. It is certain that it will result in an immediate downgrade for the UK economy. That is a function of leaving the single market and customs union. Trade volumes will decrease. Supply chains will be disrupted. Jobs will be lost. Foreign investment will reduce, now the Uk is no longer a bridge to europe. It doesn't include our biggest earner, Financial Services.

It will be cringeworthy watching the lying Johnson talk of victory, of achieving a "great deal" wouldn't be surprised if the term "world beating " is used! World beating? mm only in terms of shooting oneself in ones foot economically!

Ah well onwards to the new future

So we’ve had Humble Pie from GP and sour grapes from Swale, any other food-based rejoinders?

[Geoff Parkstone]

You will always get sour grapes from remainers as nothing short of an exit deal that completely matched, or even bettered, the pre existing stay in deal will be considered a disaster of biblical flood proportions.

They not so much consider the virtues of the deal but rather return to the shouldn't leave anyway premise and will always feel sold short not so much by any deal as by the principal.

So they chew over the old fat.....

[MadAmster]

What Johnson appears to have got, based on the sketchy detail so far given, is about as good as it was ever going to be,

Transition period of 5.5 years instead of the 10 years the EU wanted on the fishing. In monetary terms it's not worth a lot anyway.

No tariffs he says........ Possibly not a tariif as such but the extra form filling for im-and ex-ports is reckoned to be going to cost firms £7Bn a year. Guess who will end up paying that......

The level playing field. I foresee the EU keeping to it. I also foresee Johnson breaking it soon and often. The lawyers will be ready to pounce and will profit greatly.

Will people be happy once the detail is known. Ms Sturgeon et al isn't happy........ no surprise there. With Starmer urging BoJo not to allow another indyref, it wouldn't surprise me to see Joxit happen through UDI.

[swaledale]

You will always get sour grapes from remainers as nothing short of an exit deal that completely matched, or even bettered, the pre existing stay in deal will be considered a disaster of biblical flood proportions.

They not so much consider the virtues of the deal but rather return to the shouldn't leave anyway premise and will always feel sold short not so much by any deal as by the principal.

So they chew over the old fat.....

Which shows a total lack of comprehension - it was the Brexiteers who promised that there were "no downsides to brexit" that we "would be able to negotiate a deal as good as the one we had as members of the EU" that we would be able to have "essentially the same benefits outside the EU as in".

So if Remainers expected a deal that was close to the existing deal we had - wasn't that reasonable considering the claims made by leading Brexiteers?

So how is it sour grapes? How is it chewing over old fat? You mean not being conned by the *******s thats been spouted over something that is neither an achievement or something to be proud of? Its a very sad day for the UK, its international reputation sullied, its standing and influence in the world reduced, its economic prospects damaged and its population still largely ignorant about what has happend.

I've comprehensively demonstrated that virtually everything that was claimed by those who actively promoted Leave/Brexit was factually incorrect, lies or at best misleading.

This "deal" has not achieved anything that the Brexit supporters ahve claimed - its a bare minimum that could all have been agreed many months ago, but was dragged out in order to fool people into believing that the Uk has achieved something close to what people was promised!

But as I can tell by the above responses, the fact is people don't acknowledge the truth, they prefer to swallow the lies, no doubt a large proportion of the population, aided an abetted by a right wing owned media will also swallow these lies, yet any rational vaguely sentient person can see clearly the situation.

What has happened is that we have a very poor deal, that will massively increase costs and documentation for industry, for consumers, for people who travel, costs which the consumer and taxpayer will be paying unnecessarily plus the costs in job losses and opportunities for people both now and in the future.

SO GP and AF, you have confirmed what I always suspected, for all your claims of informed "bubbles" you grasp of reality is sadly lacking.

[Andy_Faber]

So how is it sour grapes?.

Lighten up, I was having a bit of harmless joshing.

[macstheman]

And a jolly Xmas to you all!

[Andy_Faber]

And a jolly Xmas to you all!

Same all round

[MadAmster]

Question.

Is this "deal" any better than the one of May's in 2019 that Johnson found to be so awful that he resigned over it?