OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Andy_Faber]

The Brexit story will run and run. I'll give it 6 months before there is a spat because BoJo has done something that goes against the agreement and the EU look to the arbitrator to get the decision reversed or have sanctions approved. Cue the Brexiteers shouting "See, we were right, we've left but they still want to control us" when, in fact, the EU will simply be asking the UK to stick to what they've agreed.

Cod Wars II

[MadAmster]

Following Brexit the majority of Scots are wanting independence so they become Exbrits

[Ram59]

Following Brexit the majority of Scots are wanting independence so they become Exbrits

That'll be SNP, who are complaining that Johnson didn't get enough fishing back from the EU, so they can give it all back to the EU when they get independence?

[AdiSalisbury]

May I just say, "Well done Boris, jolly good job chap!"

[swaledale]

May I just say, "Well done Boris, jolly good job chap!"

What for taking until less than a week before the end of the transition period to agree a deal, that is worse than the one Theresa May had agreed in principle over 18 months ago?

For telling yet more bare faced lies when describing the deal as "having our cake and eating it"?

For agreeing a deal that contrary to his claims a year ago has put a border between Northern island and the Uk?

For basically caving in to the EU on fishing after claiming he wouldn't?

For threatening to break international law with proposed legislation and thus damaging the Uk's reputation as a trustworthy law abiding country internationally?

For agreeing a deal which excludes services that contribute 80% of the UK's GDP?

For agreeing a deal which leaves the UK without access to the EU criminal database or Europol, no European arrest warrant, that will hamper the Police in tracking down criminals that flee the uk, and make it more difficult to track those entering the UK?

For agreeing a deal which excludes cooperation on defence, such that we shall have to go the expense of having our own satellite system?

For agreeing a deal which will increase red tape, costs ad time delays for businesses exporting to the EU?

For agreeing a deal which will cost the UK at the least the £350 million per year, leaving the EU was supposed to free up for the NHS?

For basically lying, breaking promises and actually not delivering anywhere near what he and other leading Brexiteers promised, at the time of the referendum and at the last election?

If thats to be applauded then clearly any old *******s will satisfy you!

[Andy_Faber]

What for taking until less than a week before the end of the transition period to agree a deal, that is worse than the one Theresa May had agreed in principle over 18 months ago?

For telling yet more bare faced lies when describing the deal as "having our cake and eating it"?

For agreeing a deal that contrary to his claims a year ago has put a border between Northern island and the Uk?

For basically caving in to the EU on fishing after claiming he wouldn't?

For threatening to break international law with proposed legislation and thus damaging the Uk's reputation as a trustworthy law abiding country internationally?

For agreeing a deal which excludes services that contribute 80% of the UK's GDP?

For agreeing a deal which leaves the UK without access to the EU criminal database or Europol, no European arrest warrant, that will hamper the Police in tracking down criminals that flee the uk, and make it more difficult to track those entering the UK?

For agreeing a deal which excludes cooperation on defence, such that we shall have to go the expense of having our own satellite system?

For agreeing a deal which will increase red tape, costs ad time delays for businesses exporting to the EU?

For agreeing a deal which will cost the UK at the least the £350 million per year, leaving the EU was supposed to free up for the NHS?

For basically lying, breaking promises and actually not delivering anywhere near what he and other leading Brexiteers promised, at the time of the referendum and at the last election?

If thats to be applauded then clearly any old *******s will satisfy you!

The trouble with all that, and you might well be right, is that its been repeated so balls-achingly often that its lost its value. Those who are too thick (remember that word?)or too bigotted would never have been interested in what the likes of you have to say but even reasonable folk, who might have reflected on things after hearing it for the first time, have long since become desensitised to it all and repeating it AGAIN has no impact other than increase their disdain for you. This isn't me being nasty, I'm just spinning human nature back at you.

[swaledale]

The trouble with all that, and you might well be right, is that its been repeated so balls-achingly often that its lost its value. Those who are too thick (remember that word?)or too bigotted would never have been interested in what the likes of you have to say but even reasonable folk, who might have reflected on things after hearing it for the first time, have long since become desensitised to it all and repeating it AGAIN has no impact other than increase their disdain for you. This isn't me being nasty, I'm just spinning human nature back at you.

I'm well aware of that, never thought for one moment that any explanation of the reality would be either accepted or more likely understood by those who voted to leave. But you know what it is rather satisfying to be able to lay out the facts in response to the demented warblings of Brexiteers!

I mean how good is it to be able to show just how much lies was told and swallowed by Leavers? To be able to show that virtually everything that was said by me and others and strongly refuted by Leavers has come to pass.

Any way Happy New Year to all, even those misguided Brexit supporters celebrating the fact that we have a deal that is worse than the one we had previously and will cost the UK more than being a member of the EU.

[AdiSalisbury]

What for taking until less than a week before the end of the transition period to agree a deal, that is worse than the one Theresa May had agreed in principle over 18 months ago?

For telling yet more bare faced lies when describing the deal as "having our cake and eating it"?

For agreeing a deal that contrary to his claims a year ago has put a border between Northern island and the Uk?

For basically caving in to the EU on fishing after claiming he wouldn't?

For threatening to break international law with proposed legislation and thus damaging the Uk's reputation as a trustworthy law abiding country internationally?

For agreeing a deal which excludes services that contribute 80% of the UK's GDP?

For agreeing a deal which leaves the UK without access to the EU criminal database or Europol, no European arrest warrant, that will hamper the Police in tracking down criminals that flee the uk, and make it more difficult to track those entering the UK?

For agreeing a deal which excludes cooperation on defence, such that we shall have to go the expense of having our own satellite system?

For agreeing a deal which will increase red tape, costs ad time delays for businesses exporting to the EU?

For agreeing a deal which will cost the UK at the least the £350 million per year, leaving the EU was supposed to free up for the NHS?

For basically lying, breaking promises and actually not delivering anywhere near what he and other leading Brexiteers promised, at the time of the referendum and at the last election?

If thats to be applauded then clearly any old *******s will satisfy you!

Sorry, couldn't hear you, too busy falling off this cliff edge...

[swaledale]

Which kind of makes my point, the cliff edge would have been no deal, with a deal it will just be a slow gradual decline.

[Trickytreesreds]

Happy new year Lord Adonis

[swaledale]

I’ll forgive you your Freudian slip there, and point out the weakness in your argument. It’s well known through modern history that folk become more ‘conservative’, less tolerant and more cautious of the uncertain as they get older so tomorrow’s ‘aging racist conservative nationalists’ are already amongst us, masquerading momentarily as today’s young sold-a-dream idealists. Not saying that such progression through time is a good or bad thing, but it is a fact. Where do you think all the Leave voters came from? Well a good proportion (maybe God save us,37%) were Remainers as bright eyed twenty somethings in the 1975 referendum

Ah yes Eurosceptic well spotted.

Its true that people get they tend get more conservative as they get older, though obviously this is a generalisation and peoples experiences do tend to shape their later lives the more people travel and understand that isolation is counter productive, then the more they understand what a mistake Brexit is.

So whilst the generation that follows will be more conservative, they will also be less conservative than the current one.

There is of course one flaw in your argument, the result of the referendum was very close,, just over 52% of those that voted, were in favour and that out of 37% of those who could vote.

Now its a fair assumption that more of the older population voted and that more of those who wanted Brexit voted, so that does indicate that there are in fact a large number of the older generation who aren't conservative eurosceptics. In fact if only more of the younger generation (the one's you inaccurately describe as "sold-a-dream") had voted, then the result would more than likely been a solid remain!

So Looking at the facts, I'd say that there is no weakness in my argument, at least not along the lines you have described.

By the way I would say that free movement in europe, being able to work, study or live anywhere within the EU was not a dream, but reality for many! As were the many economic benefits that they and of course the rest of the UK enjoyed, still I'm sure the left behind who voted will enjoy working in the fields picking vegetables, working in cafes and hotels and bars, in care homes and in factories as they live the Brexit dream!

[swaledale]

It's not worth wasting your time arguing with the bore, continually ranting and raving like he/she does. Some people have nothing better to do with their lives. I just look at the length of yet another tirade, laugh and move on to the next rational post.

Ah you talk about rational, yet you ignore the pure facts I have posted? How is pointing out the extent of the lies, broken promises and falsehoods which were Brexiteers have said, ranting? I have refrained (until you post like a ****) from insults or name calling, just posted actual facts.

Its a little pathetic, a bit like Trump supporters believing he "won" the election! In the fact of utter stupidity, I would say I am resisting the urge to laugh and calmly pointing out a few truths. I do realise that these facts are uncomfortable, but thats your problem not mine.

As always with those who support Brexit, ignore the reality, believe in some clearly false premise and pretend everything is wonderful!

I've still yet to see from you or indeed any other supporter of Brexit, one single positive of leaving the EU, I mean an actual real factual positive, not some airy fairy concept, which even you or they don't actually believe.

[swaledale]

here some more Tory Brexit promises to watch out for and see if they are kept!

the Tory "Out" campaigners promise: "Fuel bills will be lower for everyone."

Currently, VAT of five per cent adds over £60 to domestic dual-fuel bills.


It says: "We believe working people will be better off if we leave the EU.

"The NHS will be stronger, class sizes smaller, and taxes lower.

"We’ll have more money to spend on our priorities, wages will be higher and fuel bills will be lower.

"Leaving the EU is a great opportunity for us to take back control of our borders, our economy and our democracy."

The Tories introduced VAT on energy bills in 1993, six months after "Black Wednesday" when Britain crashed out of the European ERM currency union.

[Ram59]

You nearly got me there Swale, 3 medium length posts instead of 1 long one. lol.

[MadAmster]

Overview of changes regarding UK to NL travel and goods.

Travel and accommodation in the UK for Dutch people
Passport required if traveling to UK from 1 October 2021
From 1 October 2021, you can only travel to the UK with a passport. An identity card (ID card) is then no longer valid. If you live in the UK on or before December 31, 2020, you can use your ID card until the end of 2025.

Find out which travel document you need for traveling to the UK .
See which countries belong to the United Kingdom (UK) .

No visa required for short stays in UK
From 2021, you do not need a visa for a short stay (maximum 6 months) in the UK.

Border checks may take longer from 2021
From 2021, your trip to the UK may take longer as you can be checked by customs upon arrival in the UK. If you travel back to the Netherlands from the UK, customs can check your baggage in the Netherlands. Find out about border controls when traveling back and forth to the UK .

Bringing pets to and from the UK
Are you traveling from the UK to the Netherlands with your pet from 1 January 2021? Then different rules apply.
Read more about bringing pets from NL to the UK .

No international driving license required for short stays in UK
From 2021, you can drive with a valid Dutch driving license (English) for a short stay in the UK . An international driver's license is not required. The British government has announced this.
Health insurance
EHIC valid in any case if your stay continues in 2021
Are you in the UK for a short stay by 31 December 2020 at the latest? Then you are still insured for emergency care during your entire stay on the basis of your EHIC. This also applies if your stay continues in 2021. This exception will end if you travel to another country after the transition period.

From 2021: EHIC may no longer be valid, but entitled to urgent healthcare
The UK and the EU have agreements on access to healthcare for short stays. If you are going to the UK for a short time, for example as a tourist, you are entitled to emergency healthcare there. The government is now examining how these agreements will be further elaborated. Once more is known about this, it will also be known whether you can continue to use your EHIC in the UK. From 2021 you can in any case take out travel insurance including medical costs to ensure more health insurance.


Permit required for taking protected plants and animals
Other rules for the import and export of protected animals and plants
Do you want to import or export protected animals or plants from or to the UK? The rules have changed from 1 January 2021. This also applies to items made of protected species, such as clothing. The protected species are on the so - called CITES list .


Documents required for import and export of protected animals and plants
From 2021, you will often need (other) documents than those you needed for them. Request this in time. Some animals and plants are prohibited from importing or exporting from or to countries outside the EU. From January 2021, these bans will also apply to the UK.


Calls and internet in the UK may be more expensive from 2021
Calls and internet in the UK may be more expensive from January 1, 2021 . Telecom companies can charge higher rates for roaming. Check your provider's rates shortly before your trip to the UK.

Online purchases from UK web shop: possible pay import duties
You may be required to pay VAT and import duties from 1 January 2021 if you make an online purchase from a UK web shop. This depends on the purchase value. You must pay VAT in the Netherlands for products that cost € 22 or more. You also have to pay import duties if the purchase value is higher than
€ 150.


Different rules for bringing food and flowers from the UK
From January 2021, the rules for bringing food or other agricultural products from the UK back to the Netherlands will change. The options for taking food products with you are much more limited than before. This is true for:

meat;
dairy;
vegetables;
Fruit.


Bring less liquor and cigarettes from the UK
From 1 January 2021, you will be allowed to bring fewer cigarettes, drinks or other excise goods from the UK.

Those ar the rules for us cloggies.