OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

Most of them very much had a clue what they were voting for, it just wasn't anything to do with the question asked.

Interesting observation...which is a first for this thread for a while. Care to explain further?

[Andy_Faber]

Interesting observation...which is a first for this thread for a while. Care to explain further?

I've made this point before, based mainly on anecdotes from my unfiltered social media accounts (ie i am 'friends' with all sorts, not just those who agree with my POV) and from conversations during my significant travel round the UK (pre Covid) mainly pursuing my music mag editorship:

Regardless of what the exam question was, most folk I spoke to (who voted leave) did so for one of three reasons, none really to do with our relationship with EU and all intertwined. They were:

Lack of control of immigration - from anywhere. VERY few ever expressed a blanket hatred of the concept of immigration, fewer still a hatred of immigrants as individuals, but the lack of any effective filters was a constant 'top of the pops' in any discussion.

Loss of control, not of sovereignty but of 'Britishness' (and more specifically, because the smaller nations seem more able to resist, Englishness). The idea that 'diversity' is 'good for us' and 'something we need to embrace' is considered a box of *******s by most people, funnily enough the more so the more someone lived in a 'diverse' community (come to Great Yarmouth with me any time with a 'Diversity Rules' badge on if you want a healthy discussion!)

A feeling that 'we the people' are being subject to coercive control by 'the establishment' being told 'what's right' in a manner far more extreme than even the old days of 'doffing one's cap' to the gentry

The 'me' of 2009 would have just laughed all that off, but it was then that I started 'getting out more' (and very much outside my bubble) and had my eyes opened. As I've said 1000 times before I voted remain, and very much from an 'I'm alright Jack' point of view, but I've stuck up for the Brexit result and those who voted thus because I've seen the anger and despair out there that the normal 'man in the street' has been marginalised, and Brexit was seen as a means to punch 'the establishment' on the nose without especially betraying deeply held political leanings

Observation not (necessarily) opinion

[macstheman]

Hi Angry, nice to hear from you. How are you doing??
Yes, unfortunately Brexit still seems a more popular ring for a verbal punch up than discussing the plight of the Rams. So, how do you reckon our season will end, is it sink or swim? The tensions mounting!

[Trickytreesreds]

Just popped in 😂 Jeezus nothing has changed. Swaledale still mentally disturbed I see. Seriously it’s a concern, it’s the ramblings of someone who needs help.

Yo, Angry dude!

Good to see you back, respect.

[AngryRam]

Yo, Angry dude!

Good to see you back, respect.

Cheers mate. I see you are still fighting the good fight 😂🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
Geezer in a sandwich short of a picnic..

[Trickytreesreds]

Cheers mate. I see you are still fighting the good fight ����������������
Geezer in a sandwich short of a picnic..

I like him, he makes me laugh.
I think he's the love child of Lord Adonis and the Incredible Hulk.
Such anger/hypocrisy-mixed with patronising arrogance and narcissism.
You can feel the love

[swaledale]

Cheers mate. I see you are still fighting the good fight ����������������
Geezer in a sandwich short of a picnic..

Syas the ****er who certainly isn't the full ticket!

[swaledale]

I like him, he makes me laugh.
I think he's the love child of Lord Adonis and the Incredible Hulk.
Such anger/hypocrisy-mixed with patronising arrogance and narcissism.
You can feel the love

As distinct from you who is purely and simply thick, but as has been said ignorant people are too ignorant to know that they are ignorant. Still keep on quoting the opinions you have dredged up from your alt right fake news websites, its amusing if rather sad,

Still soon you will be able to pop over to Thailand for your recreational activties.

[AngryRam]

Syas the ****er who certainly isn't the full ticket!

I see you have not lost your speedy wit and quality of retort.. Brilliant.. Just popped in to give you and the school teacher a hug. ❤️❤️

[swaledale]

I've made this point before, based mainly on anecdotes from my unfiltered social media accounts (ie i am 'friends' with all sorts, not just those who agree with my POV) and from conversations during my significant travel round the UK (pre Covid) mainly pursuing my music mag editorship:

Regardless of what the exam question was, most folk I spoke to (who voted leave) did so for one of three reasons, none really to do with our relationship with EU and all intertwined. They were:

Lack of control of immigration - from anywhere. VERY few ever expressed a blanket hatred of the concept of immigration, fewer still a hatred of immigrants as individuals, but the lack of any effective filters was a constant 'top of the pops' in any discussion.

Loss of control, not of sovereignty but of 'Britishness' (and more specifically, because the smaller nations seem more able to resist, Englishness). The idea that 'diversity' is 'good for us' and 'something we need to embrace' is considered a box of *******s by most people, funnily enough the more so the more someone lived in a 'diverse' community (come to Great Yarmouth with me any time with a 'Diversity Rules' badge on if you want a healthy discussion!)

A feeling that 'we the people' are being subject to coercive control by 'the establishment' being told 'what's right' in a manner far more extreme than even the old days of 'doffing one's cap' to the gentry

The 'me' of 2009 would have just laughed all that off, but it was then that I started 'getting out more' (and very much outside my bubble) and had my eyes opened. As I've said 1000 times before I voted remain, and very much from an 'I'm alright Jack' point of view, but I've stuck up for the Brexit result and those who voted thus because I've seen the anger and despair out there that the normal 'man in the street' has been marginalised, and Brexit was seen as a means to punch 'the establishment' on the nose without especially betraying deeply held political leanings

Observation not (necessarily) opinion

Which is so hilarious because it was the actual establishment that wanted them to vote for Brexit, basically shows just how thick people are! Also as I've said before and further research has shown that at least 50% of the Brexiteers were comfortable middle class people over 60 who hankered after some rose tinted Uk they vaguely remember from their youth, who won't be unduly affected economically and have a completely unrealistic understanding of sovereignty!

Still one has to wonder at a poster who claims not to be racist, but moans incessantly about ethnic representation on the BBC, shorely shum mistake there?

[Trickytreesreds]

So predictive.

[Andy_Faber]

further research has shown

As usual, all I ask for is a link to that research. I know that winds you up but it has to be said, because I honestly think you make it up in a fit of wokeblindness

[ramAnag]

I've made this point before, based mainly on anecdotes from my unfiltered social media accounts (ie i am 'friends' with all sorts, not just those who agree with my POV) and from conversations during my significant travel round the UK (pre Covid) mainly pursuing my music mag editorship:

Regardless of what the exam question was, most folk I spoke to (who voted leave) did so for one of three reasons, none really to do with our relationship with EU and all intertwined. They were:

Lack of control of immigration - from anywhere. VERY few ever expressed a blanket hatred of the concept of immigration, fewer still a hatred of immigrants as individuals, but the lack of any effective filters was a constant 'top of the pops' in any discussion.

Loss of control, not of sovereignty but of 'Britishness' (and more specifically, because the smaller nations seem more able to resist, Englishness). The idea that 'diversity' is 'good for us' and 'something we need to embrace' is considered a box of *******s by most people, funnily enough the more so the more someone lived in a 'diverse' community (come to Great Yarmouth with me any time with a 'Diversity Rules' badge on if you want a healthy discussion!)

A feeling that 'we the people' are being subject to coercive control by 'the establishment' being told 'what's right' in a manner far more extreme than even the old days of 'doffing one's cap' to the gentry

The 'me' of 2009 would have just laughed all that off, but it was then that I started 'getting out more' (and very much outside my bubble) and had my eyes opened. As I've said 1000 times before I voted remain, and very much from an 'I'm alright Jack' point of view, but I've stuck up for the Brexit result and those who voted thus because I've seen the anger and despair out there that the normal 'man in the street' has been marginalised, and Brexit was seen as a means to punch 'the establishment' on the nose without especially betraying deeply held political leanings

Observation not (necessarily) opinion

I’m sure you’re right.

So basically you’re agreeing that there was a racist aspect and you must recognise that voting against membership of the EU for reasons that were not ‘really to do with with our relationship with the EU’ was ridiculous.

What is this Britishness or Englishness that you speak of and why is it threatened by ‘diversity’? Like the USA we are a nation of immigrants and have been for time in memoriam.

‘Coercive control by the establishment...in a manner far more extreme than the old days of doffing one’s cap to the gentry’...I can accept the ‘unelected bureaucracy’ objections to the EU...but look at us now...a PM who spends £800 plus on a roll of wallpaper for his flat while his Government opposes efforts to protect those who live in properties encased in flammable cladding and with inadequate fire doors. Seems worse than any doffing of caps to me and a particularly telling juxtaposition as regards the state of Britain and possibly ‘Britishness’ today.

P.S. I’ll pass on the invitation to Great Yarmouth thanks...and I don’t wear badges.

[Trickytreesreds]

I’m sure you’re right.

So basically you’re agreeing that there was a racist aspect and you must recognise that voting against membership of the EU for reasons that were not ‘really to do with with our relationship with the EU’ was ridiculous.

What is this Britishness or Englishness that you speak of and why is it threatened by ‘diversity’? Like the USA we are a nation of immigrants and have been for time in memoriam.

‘Coercive control by the establishment...in a manner far more extreme than the old days of doffing one’s cap to the gentry’...I can accept the ‘unelected bureaucracy’ objections to the EU...but look at us now...a PM who spends £800 plus on a roll of wallpaper for his flat while his Government opposes efforts to protect those who live in properties encased in flammable cladding and with inadequate fire doors. Seems worse than any doffing of caps to me and a particularly telling juxtaposition as regards the state of Britain and possibly ‘Britishness’ today.

P.S. I’ll pass on the invitation to Great Yarmouth thanks...and I don’t wear badges.

It's old ground, but what he says is true. You don't have to be racist to stick up for your own first,

1. Immigration- unchecked and flooded areas, putting strian on housing/jobs/services. The low paid suffered the most.
2. Diversity as you call it, comes in many forms. How diverse is it, where you live? For some folks, they have had their areas turned into mini Bahgdad or Warsaw. Is that fair?
3. The establishment- well for most, they didn't like the fact that more and more decisions were being made abroad by an immovable body. At least you can vote out a plank that spends £800 on a roll of wall paper here. Though most folks know, it is only scandalous when a Tory does it. I suggest you look up who spent what, over the last 30 years.
4. The state of Britain, you need to explain more. I think the crime figures in say London, speaks volumes from your multi cultural paradise stance.

Of course the usual xenophobic/racist/little Englander gammon fury will come for having an opinion.

[AdiSalisbury]

Uh.... I've booked a holiday to Great Yarmouth this year, and I wear RSBP badges!