OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

Dont whisper that too loud in the Dales rA it’s not what your Tory council think, according to a bloke on this forum recently

You’re right Andrew...the Tory council only quoted the local government site which blamed Brexit...but, about four weeks on, this latest info came from the BBC. Still you and Tricky probably know best and will continue to absolve Brexit of any responsibility for anything at all damaging.

[Trickytreesreds]

Quite right Tricky, there is a shortage of HGV drivers throughout Europe, however we have been harder hit in the UK and the two principle reasons given are 1) the number of HGV drivers retiring and 2) Brexit.

Sorry RA, you conveniently left off #3 Probably the worst as its been going on for years.
Wages/contractual conditions. Seeing as we were under the blessed EU protection, it never stopped British drivers packing it in, by the droves.
Why would anyone work for reduced pay/longer hours/treated like dirt, just because Poles and Romanians thought it was bonanza time?
Your own bible tells you this as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/24/lorry-drivers-plan-to-strike-over-low-pay-and-poor-working-conditions

[ramAnag]

Sorry RA, you conveniently left off #3 Probably the worst as its been going on for years.
Wages/contractual conditions. Seeing as we were under the blessed EU protection, it never stopped British drivers packing it in, by the droves.
Why would anyone work for reduced pay/longer hours/treated like dirt, just because Poles and Romanians thought it was bonanza time?
Your own bible tells you this as well.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ing-conditions

I didn’t ‘leave anything off’, Tricky. I fully accept that there are other contributory factors, from Covid to wages, but the two predominant reasons in the BBC report I read were the two I cited.
Anecdotally speaking...our local refuse collection is the worst, by far, that I have ever known in 42 years, and our local supermarket delivery driver has warned that the shelves are becoming increasingly bare and it isn’t likely to improve any time soon.
The reason given in both instances is a shortage of HGV drivers. If you and AF want to believe that any correlation between the aforementioned shortage and Brexit is entirely coincidental that’s up to you.

[Ramshank72]

This looks like a friendly place for a chat: Brexit - Taliban - Bin Collection

[Trickytreesreds]

I didn’t ‘leave anything off’, Tricky. I fully accept that there are other contributory factors, from Covid to wages, but the two predominant reasons in the BBC report I read were the two I cited.
Anecdotally speaking...our local refuse collection is the worst, by far, that I have ever known in 42 years, and our local supermarket delivery driver has warned that the shelves are becoming increasingly bare and it isn’t likely to improve any time soon.
The reason given in both instances is a shortage of HGV drivers. If you and AF want to believe that any correlation between the aforementioned shortage and Brexit is entirely coincidental that’s up to you.

Ok I'll amend that. The "BBC" conveniently left/leave it off as it doesn't suit their rhetoric either.
1. easy to blame brexit to cover up their crap management at the council
2. Gives the BBC click bait
3. Keeps the remain gas lit.

And to think, us "leavers" are supposed to be the easiest led

[ramAnag]

Ok I'll amend that. The "BBC" conveniently left/leave it off as it doesn't suit their rhetoric either.
1. easy to blame brexit to cover up their crap management at the council
2. Gives the BBC click bait
3. Keeps the remain gas lit.

And to think, us "leavers" are supposed to be the easiest led

Which bit of ‘two predominant reasons’ don’t you follow, Tricky?
The BBC offered a number of factors but the two predominant ones were as stated...

...and yes...you were and are the ‘easiest (mis)led’...as you continue to prove by repeatedly going into denial whenever Brexit is blamed for anything.

[Trickytreesreds]

Someone hold my pint................................

THE BBC & YOUR COUNCIL said---------------

Which part of this load of bollox don't you understand?

No sunshine, you BELIEVE IT, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO.
It has been pointed out over many years why. Brexit may be the last straw, but that drain has been going on for a long time and the result WAS BREXIT.

[ramAnag]

Someone hold my pint................................

THE BBC & YOUR COUNCIL said---------------

Which part of this load of bollox don't you understand?

No sunshine, you BELIEVE IT, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO.
It has been pointed out over many years why. Brexit may be the last straw, but that drain has been going on for a long time and the result WAS BREXIT.

OK...so you know more than the BBC and DDDC. You can take a horse to water.....

One last time...is there a huge shortage of HGV drivers in the UK? Y/N
Is that shortage having a negative impact on our country? Y/N
Is it a just a complete coincidence that this shortage has happened since Brexit? Y/N
Have I ever suggested that this shortage is entirely down to Brexit? Y/N

Go figure...I’ve got better things to do.

[Andy_Faber]

Have I ever suggested that this shortage is entirely down to Brexit?

I’m afraid you have rA, that has been my single issue on this all along, you need to go back and check your very first post on this. I’m not making an anti rA or pro anything point here other than, in general, anyone with a leaning/agenda is bound to have both conscious and unconscious biases which occasionally come to the surface

[ramAnag]

Can’t be bothered to track back, AF. From memory the word I quoted was ‘overwhelmingly’ which is quite different from ‘entirely’.
IF I used the word ‘entirely’ I was wrong. Seeing as you’re so certain I’ll leave it to you to tell me where I blamed the HGV driver shortage ‘entirely’ on Brexit.

[Andy_Faber]

Can’t be bothered to track back, AF. From memory the word I quoted was ‘overwhelmingly’ which is quite different from ‘entirely’.
IF I used the word ‘entirely’ I was wrong. Seeing as you’re so certain I’ll leave it to you to tell me where I blamed the HGV driver shortage ‘entirely’ on Brexit.

Sorry rA, 21st July you described the driver shortage as being caused ‘entirely’ by Brexit. You used the word ‘overwhelmingly’ elsewhere. This most defo isn’t a dig at you rA, it was always an effort to point out the seemingly perpetual, subconscious or conscious, and from all angles, colouration and invention of data which supports particular ‘stances’. I’m watching lots of BBC World this week and they’ve just reported a completely tosh statistic which Cynic me fact checked as wrong in about a minute but which millions will take as Gospel. The power of the media…

[ramAnag]

Sorry rA, 21st July you described the driver shortage as being caused ‘entirely’ by Brexit. You used the word ‘overwhelmingly’ elsewhere. This most defo isn’t a dig at you rA, it was always an effort to point out the seemingly perpetual, subconscious or conscious, and from all angles, colouration and invention of data which supports particular ‘stances’. I’m watching lots of BBC World this week and they’ve just reported a completely tosh statistic which Cynic me fact checked as wrong in about a minute but which millions will take as Gospel. The power of the media…

I did...you’re right...and I stand corrected on my use of the word ‘entirely’. The rest I stand by...entirely.

[Andy_Faber]

I did...you’re right...and I stand corrected on my use of the word ‘entirely’. The rest I stand by...entirely.

Hands shaken in friendship hopefully

[ramAnag]

Hands shaken in friendship hopefully

Indeed...although I imagine we will continue to have our, not necessarily acrimonious, differences where certain issues are concerned.

[swaledale]

RA, the quibbling by some over whether Brexit is partly or largely or even wholly responsible for the issues now being faced just makes me laugh - truly those who voted for Brexit were told and it seems believed a complete set of falsehoods and now don't want to admit it.

But for me its very funny, that today Tim Martin another famous leave supporter, is moaning that his pubs are running out of beer!

Yes Covid has made a bad situation worse, but as yet nobody has been able to show one tangible benefit that has arisen due to Brexit.

And I'm not talking about managing to get back to something close to that which existed before! the sheer cost, red tape and reputational damage that has been inflicted on the UK is staggering.