Election Year or Fear!

[ramAnag]

All catchment areas are different, but that's irrelevant. All GP surgeries could be process improved, and who's to say my GP surgery doesn't have a fundamentally difficult demographic to deal with?

And you were talking about 'public and social services'. your words, and last time i checked GP surgeries were one such. But I'm happy to take hospitals as another example, with Mrs Faber's experience with her elderly friend last year being as different as night and day at Derby Royal and QMC

Improving the way things work without throwing money at the problem is bloody hard, and IMO the best way to do it in the public sector is remove a goodly amount of its management and replace with proper business folk

So no, or rather to turn your question round, I don't want higher taxes to fund better public and social services until I can see evidence that waste/inefficiency is being squeezed hard out of it. Regretably, with our four-year cycle, any victorious team/party has got to hit the ground running with a ****-hot team, and neither, to quote MA, the Blue Tories or the Red Tories have got such a team nor the leader to stoke em up

I did say I wasn’t JUST talking about surgeries which are, of course, included within ‘public and social services’.

I don’t know what Mrs. F’s experiences of the DRH and QMC were.

Not sure who you mean by ‘proper business folk’ or how they would be qualified to run public and social services.

I did qualify my suggestion with the words ‘fairly, targeted and ring fenced’. In no way is that encouraging wastefulness, but IF the problem is one of under funding - as I believe has been the case over the last 14 years - then the question remains about whether there is a realistic alternative to raising necessary funds via taxation.

[Andy_Faber]

I did say I wasn’t JUST talking about surgeries which are, of course, included within ‘public and social services’.

I don’t know what Mrs. F’s experiences of the DRH and QMC were.

Not sure who you mean by ‘proper business folk’ or how they would be qualified to run public and social services.

I did qualify my suggestion with the words ‘fairly, targeted and ring fenced’. In no way is that encouraging wastefulness, but IF the problem is one of under funding - as I believe has been the case over the last 14 years - then the question remains about whether there is a realistic alternative to raising necessary funds via taxation.

that's a pretty daft sentence - if the problem is underfunding, the solution is funding! What I'm suggesting is that that isn't the only, or the biggest, problem

Mrs F's experience was her attempts to help prolong the life of an ailing old local lady, another one of those anecdotes that just ended up with a lengthy period of ridicule from Swale, the point being that the difference in care between the two was stark

[ramAnag]

that's a pretty daft sentence - if the problem is underfunding, the solution is funding! What I'm suggesting is that that isn't the only, or the biggest, problem

Mrs F's experience was her attempts to help prolong the life of an ailing old local lady, another one of those anecdotes that just ended up with a lengthy period of ridicule from Swale, the point being that the difference in care between the two was stark

It’s really not a ‘daft sentence’. If the problem is underfunding then you’re right…the solution is funding. The question I’m asking is…where will such funding come from other than taxation?

Would be ‘daft’ to comment on Mrs. F’s experience and the ‘stark’ comparison, or Swale’s ‘ridicule’, as I know nothing about any of it.

[swaledale]

YOUGOV admited it has a left wing bias, because of its membership you ignoramous. Its full of teachers/ NHS/ civil service. It doesn't matter who owns it you clown, its who fills in the polls.

You do post some rubbish on here! Even a short read of the research would show that Yougov's polls have niether been biased towards the conservatives or labour and what is more its results have been in line with their polls but overall slightly more accurate.

I don't know where you get your dubious information from, well I do and its mostly bat**** crazy internet conspiracy theorists. Every time you post, you just demonstrate how completely clueless you are, prime Farage material, he loves tw@ts like you!

Its amusing how someone so stupid thinks they aren't, deluded or what?

[Andy_Faber]

Lets not forget the Euro elections this week end. Hottest topic? Oh dear.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2...er-controls-po

Looks like you’re in trouble again. Please stop posting undeniable evidence from trusted sources

[Andy_Faber]

Forgetting party politics as such for a mo, Rishi dropped a massive ******* yesterday, no excuse for his actions yesterday even if he has apologised.

I have little time for people who don’t demonstrate, or don’t get, British values, and there are a lot of all shapes sizes and colours, looks like Rishis on the list

[SithHappens]

Forgetting party politics as such for a mo, Rishi dropped a massive ******* yesterday, no excuse for his actions yesterday even if he has apologised.

I have little time for people who don’t demonstrate, or don’t get, British values, and there are a lot of all shapes sizes and colours, looks like Rishis on the list

Agree, huge own goal. They were supposed to stop campaigning yesterday and it appears he's left early to do an interview which will no doubt be campaigning in some degree

[ramAnag]

Forgetting party politics as such for a mo, Rishi dropped a massive ******* yesterday, no excuse for his actions yesterday even if he has apologised.

I have little time for people who don’t demonstrate, or don’t get, British values, and there are a lot of all shapes sizes and colours, looks like Rishis on the list

Not entirely sure what you mean by ‘British values’, but all that really matters is that it’s further evidence of Sunak’s lack of judgement and fitness for office.
First the National Service nonsense, then the Tuesday debate lies and now this totally disrespectful and avoidable own goal.
He’s nothing but a glorified hedge fund manager and I suspect there’ll be a lot more to come out about that before this campaign is over.

[Trickytreesreds]

You do post some rubbish on here! Even a short read of the research would show that Yougov's polls have niether been biased towards the conservatives or labour and what is more its results have been in line with their polls but overall slightly more accurate.

I don't know where you get your dubious information from, well I do and its mostly bat**** crazy internet conspiracy theorists. Every time you post, you just demonstrate how completely clueless you are, prime Farage material, he loves tw@ts like you!

Its amusing how someone so stupid thinks they aren't, deluded or what?

you really are a nob aren't upi?
I posted months ago, YOUGOV themselves admitting most of their clients are of left bias,
But hey ho, coming from a man who'd argue it wasn't raining, when drenched, I shouldn't be surprised.
Believe what you want, no one seems to give a toss what you rant about either

[Trickytreesreds]

Looks like you’re in trouble again. Please stop posting undeniable evidence from trusted sources

I do aplogise Andy, my narrative to what is actually happening upsets certain gob****es in here.

[Trickytreesreds]

Forgetting party politics as such for a mo, Rishi dropped a massive ******* yesterday, no excuse for his actions yesterday even if he has apologised.

I have little time for people who don’t demonstrate, or don’t get, British values, and there are a lot of all shapes sizes and colours, looks like Rishis on the list

couldn't agree more. It was unforgiveable apart from a national emergency, The fact he did an ITV interview later showed his selfish ignorance for what it was.
Sack or resign are the only options for him now
He just gave Reform another massive boost.
I can't wait till Reform overtake the Tories in the polls.
Not bad for a party with no money and still breaking out the egg shell

[Andy_Faber]

Not entirely sure what you mean by ‘British values’, but all that really matters is that it’s further evidence of Sunak’s lack of judgement and fitness for office.
First the National Service nonsense, then the Tuesday debate lies and now this totally disrespectful and avoidable own goal.
He’s nothing but a glorified hedge fund manager and I suspect there’ll be a lot more to come out about that before this campaign is over.

I’m not going too deep into the British values thing because I know it’ll trigger Swale and yourself, beyond the obvious, that you should respect your elders (I’m now ‘old’ but as far I’m concerned that still holds true) and that you should double-respect anyone (of any country) who’s put their life on the line for the sake of this country. I haven’t heard from the serving relative of Mrs F who was at the ceremony (or he may have been at one of the other ones in France) but I guess he’ll be raging

[ramAnag]

I’m not going too deep into the British values thing because I know it’ll trigger Swale and yourself, beyond the obvious, that you should respect your elders (I’m now ‘old’ but as far I’m concerned that still holds true) and that you should double-respect anyone (of any country) who’s put their life on the line for the sake of this country. I haven’t heard from the serving relative of Mrs F who was at the ceremony (or he may have been at one of the other ones in France) but I guess he’ll be raging

Oh come on, AF, stop being so defensive. I’m just asking and I obviously can’t speak for Swale, but you’re certainly not going to ‘trigger’ me.
I don’t think you’re ‘old’ but I guess it’s all relative…you and I (and Tricky) for instance are all British but have quite different values.
So far you’ve come up with ‘respect your elders’ and those who’ve fought for their country. I don’t think those are peculiarly ‘British’ values…all countries have ways to show respect for the ‘fallen’ and ex servicemen - indeed we seem to be rather better at the former - and I often think that those in Europe seem to have better provision for the elderly than we do in this country.

[swaledale]

I’m not going too deep into the British values thing because I know it’ll trigger Swale and yourself, beyond the obvious, that you should respect your elders (I’m now ‘old’ but as far I’m concerned that still holds true) and that you should double-respect anyone (of any country) who’s put their life on the line for the sake of this country. I haven’t heard from the serving relative of Mrs F who was at the ceremony (or he may have been at one of the other ones in France) but I guess he’ll be raging

The term "British values" is used by those who somehow think the "British" are in some way superior to other nations and races!! Otherwise its just a phrase bandied about by people who when asked are unable to define what they mean, as you have so ably demonstrated.

What we should be talking about is upholding the values of civilised human society, which applies transnationally and can be defined easily.

Not entirely sure why a person should be respected purely because of their age? There are as many criminals, deviants and utterly despicable people over the age of 60 as there are under that age. Respect should be based on the actions and behaviour of the individual, not on their nationality, age or other characteristic.

As for Sunak, either he just doesn't "get it" or those running his campaign are either clueless or incompetent.

[swaledale]

couldn't agree more. It was unforgiveable apart from a national emergency, The fact he did an ITV interview later showed his selfish ignorance for what it was.
Sack or resign are the only options for him now
He just gave Reform another massive boost.
I can't wait till Reform overtake the Tories in the polls.
Not bad for a party with no money and still breaking out the egg shell

Not bad for a party that is actually a private company owned and run by the very members of the rich elite it supposedly wants to attack and has no policies or actual clue what it would do in the unlikely event it actually got any power!