Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

A typical reform voter, in an area where immigration is very low, cites immigration as the reason the NHs doesn't work and there are no social homes. The interviewer - but the population here is over 90% white, so how is it immigrants causing the problem here in Clacton?

Of course all these people are over 65 white clueless ****s!

Immigration is unlikely the root cause of Clacton’s problems. According to the 2021 census, only 2.4 percent of people in the Tendring area, the Es*** council where Clacton is the largest town, were non-UK passport holders, compared with the national average of 9.9 percent.

[MadAmster]

Not like that in U.K. MA, all taxed at the marginal rate (if the income is in the hands of individuals)

Thanks AF. Now I know.

[Trickytreesreds]

And so a very good example of somebody trapped in his own bubble who thinks that only his (I'd say opinions but Thicky doesn't have opinions only vague memes picked up from the tinternet, a bizarre sense that somehow the very people who exploit him, rip him and his felow voters off, are the ones that are going to disrupt him, oh well some people are dumb ) world view is being atatcked.

Social media is basically a series of echo chambers where those who think one way agree with each other and attack those who think differently, each left or right wing group spew the same *******s, with a few that have humour and don't take it seriously.

Of course the Reform bots are working overtime to spread lies, but only people with the IQ of gnat, i.e. Thicky believes this ****.

By the way, and this is the very last interaction i will have with you, I am neither left nor right on these matters, most political aprties or ideologies have some good things, though it is hard to put a finger on anything the Tories ahve done right recently but hey I guess there must be soemthing.

But really mate, you keep repeating whats been drummed into your thick skull, like wok ideology, no such thing except in the imagination of the right wing trolls that repeat it. And given Farage has made it his trade mark to peddle lies and stoke division, its not surprising that he reaps what he sows.

No tolerance for violence against politicians or anyone, BUT, it beholds politicians (not that Farage is one, a self obsessed, grifter conning the dim masses is what he is) to act and speak responsibly not whip up hate and division by spewing falsehoods.

Reform have no policies, no solutions and never will ahve, they represent, the old who think the world can be turned back to the 1950's, the thick who are looking for a scapegoat to blame for their own. largely self inflicted ills and the clueless who don't think, haven't a ****ing scooby doo, but think somehow this bloke is "one of us". So tell me if he is one of "you" how has he survived over the past couple of decades without a proper job? I mean you lot do that by fiddling your taxes and benefits obviously, but Farage, where does his money come from?


Now **** off and talk about stuff you have half a clue about, because your posts just demonstrate that a test for sentience should be applied to everybody before they can vote. Mind you vote reform and you've proven yourself to be an idiot and easily conned.

lol, Once again it gets proved. insult/berate/ put down, silence him now! QED.

If only that was true though, that you will never answer me back again. You are a proven liar on this one topic as well. Your biubble knows no bounds, but that has been said before as well.


Back on topic before the village idiot kicked in.

Social media, is a vast platform. It is not a propaganda machine like the usual broadcastors. Facts/ statements can be rebuked/ covered/ discussed and not taken at face value like the BBC/Sky/Channel 4 do.
( the classic example of this, was discussed days ago, with Farage, after his blaming of the EU /NATO, for Putin in the Ukraine. They concentrated on that fact and rebuffed him, whilst ommitting the rest of the speech, condemming Putin and his immoral acts.

The MEDIA platforms themselves are intertwined with political parties and some are obvious, some are not. Murdoch is the great Satan of the working class and berated regularly. Yet it seems to be forgotten that Blair is godfather to Murdochs daughter and even Starmer likes attending his annual party, sipping his champagne.

Ironically REFORM have been classed the same as the Greens, getting 8% coverage despite, running at least 3rd in the ratings.
OFCOM it seems makes it up as it goes along as well. The highest level of due impartiality applies during the election period. During this period, political parties and independent candidates must be given due weight across a broadcaster’s TV and radio coverage. This means they must receive the appropriate level of coverage based on their past and current electoral support.
Luckily social media shows who gets talked about the most, despite not having millions of donation money tossed at it.

In fact it blows the others out the water, Considering how old this party is, that is amazing and despiter Swales contempt, highlights the real disgruntled voters out there, itching for change.

SKY ====

https://news.sky.com/story/one-political-party-is-dominating-social-media-but-its-not-the-one-spending-the-most-13158236

[swaledale]

Any parents struggling to pay VAT on public school fees could just borrow the money at 8% compound interest for the rest of their lives. Like millions of working-class students have to.

[Andy_Faber]

Thanks AF. Now I know.

sorry MA I had to slightly correct myself re capital gains

[Geoff Parkstone]

Any parents struggling to pay VAT on public school fees could just borrow the money at 8% compound interest for the rest of their lives. Like millions of working-class students have to.

While we are on that topic, I guess anyone on benefits should be forced to borrow instead of claiming off the state.

[swaledale]

While we are on that topic, I guess anyone on benefits should be forced to borrow instead of claiming off the state.

Bizarre comment GP even for you, who is noted for left field comments. Benefits after all being a safety net to avoid citizens becoming totally destitute and generally not a choice, although obviously those sad souls who are working a look enviously at the life styles of those on benefits might disagree!

Whereas in most cases there is a perfectly good state option for those unable to afford private school fees.

[MadAmster]

sorry MA I had to slightly correct myself re capital gains

Ta, again. Now I really know

[MadAmster]

Here's something for far right Reformists in terms they might understand regarding the things they believe about immigrants. It's known as Schrodingers Immigrant It won't load as a JPG or a PNG file from my laptop or with [IMG] at either end of the link. If all else fails just copy and paste the link below...

https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenAndPleasant/comments/18bpblu/schr%C3%B6dingers_immigrant/?rdt=35334

[Geoff Parkstone]

And curiously this is exactly the same image as I posted about 3 days 5 pages ago! Do keep up old chap 😄

[Trickytreesreds]

OMG, watching these two muppets.
Starmer like a rabbit in headlights and Making Sunak look good.

We really are off the cliff now.

[Trickytreesreds]

Here's something for far right Reformists in terms they might understand regarding the things they believe about immigrants. It's known as Schrodingers Immigrant It won't load as a JPG or a PNG file from my laptop or with [IMG] at either end of the link. If all else fails just copy and paste the link below...

https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenAndPle...ant/?rdt=35334

Yes,
Come here, with a large family(bring it later), take a low paid job and it entitles you to the whole she bang.
Pay nothing in, yet take out.
Big business is happy with a low paid work force pool, yet the onus moves on to lack of housing/prices. Services over loaded and social issues.
As ever the poor suffer the most in quality of life.

No tax limit raise/ more training eduction/ youngsters get firts dibs on all starter jobs/ make firms pay a better wage. Then more pay tax than currently are.

At the moment we are addcited to cheap , imported labour at the expense of our own youngsters. Not everyone goes to college / university and they are the ones becoming an under class. We are on a one way ticket to becoming a 2nd world country the way we treat our young. GDP per capita is going through the floor.

[Trickytreesreds]

Tis the season of lies.

Reaching Labour’s target for decarbonising the economy will cost “hundreds of billions” of pounds, a shadow minister has disclosed in a recording obtained by The Telegraph.

Darren Jones, the shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, said the £28 billion per year originally allocated to Labour’s green investment plan was a “tiny” amount.

He said the fact that Sir Keir Starmer had downgraded his investment plans from £28 billion to £4.7 billion “made it sound as if we basically junked the whole thing but we definitely haven’t”.

Mr Jones told a public meeting in Bristol that private capital would have to be used to upgrade infrastructure, but “public subsidy” would still be needed alongside that.

His comments are set to reignite the row over Labour’s spending plans.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/26/labour-net-zero-plans-hundreds-billions-darren-jones-audio/

[MadAmster]

Yes,
Come here, with a large family(bring it later), take a low paid job and it entitles you to the whole she bang.
Pay nothing in, yet take out.
Big business is happy with a low paid work force pool, yet the onus moves on to lack of housing/prices. Services over loaded and social issues.
As ever the poor suffer the most in quality of life.

No tax limit raise/ more training eduction/ youngsters get firts dibs on all starter jobs/ make firms pay a better wage. Then more pay tax than currently are.

At the moment we are addcited to cheap , imported labour at the expense of our own youngsters. Not everyone goes to college / university and they are the ones becoming an under class. We are on a one way ticket to becoming a 2nd world country the way we treat our young. GDP per capita is going through the floor.

All posted by you without a single trustworthy, verifiable source.

The IFS states that immigrants pay, on average, 10% more in taxes than they receive in benefits. For "native British" that's a mere 5% more.

The IFS (or was it the DWP?) states that immigrants have not forced wage levels down.

TTR and Farridge know better than IFS/DWP but can't/won't supply trustworthy, verifiable sources.

[Andy_Faber]

All posted by you without a single trustworthy, verifiable source.

The IFS states that immigrants pay, on average, 10% more in taxes than they receive in benefits. For "native British" that's a mere 5% more.

The IFS (or was it the DWP?) states that immigrants have not forced wage levels down.

TTR and Farridge know better than IFS/DWP but can't/won't supply trustworthy, verifiable sources.

I think you’re missing TTR/garages point, the average here is massively skewed by immigrants we DO want. The IFS themselves confirm that it’s skewed by high earners, and that the profile excluding (im estimating) top top 5% that you think should be taxed more anyway means most take years to be net contributors, many (it’s inflammatory to say most) never get there. However I’m guessing the high earners exclude the Albanians who now control the UK’s cocaine trade though, so that’s something. Phew!