Election Year or Fear!

[Trickytreesreds]

I have warned you RA! One can't really argue or debate with a person that simply repeats the populist rubbish that is pumped out for the deluded or those incapable of critical thinking! Time and time again he just demonstrates a complete lack of understanding and makes himself look a fool.

The right wing populists push lies that contain a grain of truth, which they know appeal to simplistic thinkers. Yet offer no solutions to what are complex issues. A nationalistic, isolationist and blaming a section of the population for life's ills is a common approach. Note however that nobody blames the ultra wealthy who have expanded their wealth in a decade when the average persons income has been stagnant!

Anyway good luck with your endeavours, I've long since realised the guy is deranged and has nothing to say, frankly he can go and rant on X or a right wing politics forum, rather than ran ton here. That ignore button has never been so welcome, though the number of pointless threads he has started is tiresome.

Arrrrrrrrrh, Swalesplaining kicks in.

No explanations he says, yet fails to acknowledge that folks are sick to death with the recent crop of governments and their idealistic ways.

So, I'll ask the mighty sage himself, why is Europe drifting towards right wing politics and will do so here, with the current shower making the last Tories look good?

Come on Einstein, lets have it your words, after the public rejected the EU, the yanks went back to Trump and Europes governments are tripping over themselves to steady a rocking boat.

Or you could just sit in you corner, hurling abuse in the Swale family tradition

[MadAmster]

Recent Tricky quotes.

1. #2285. ‘Doesn’t help the average person seeing all the tax money being sent abroad/or spent on illegal and legal migrants.’

2. #2291. (After the senselessness of that statement was challenged). ‘No one said all the tax money went abroad, only in your head did you read that.’

That level of delusional contradiction within six posts of each other is simply impossible to argue with so I’m not even going to try.

Came twice with "GBP is diving" and after I'd showed it hadn't, on both occasions, reduced his stance to fallen which, factually, it had by 0.07 of a eurocent but still not what he was suggesting or wanting to convey.

Par for the course, as they say.

[Andy_Faber]

Sorry, that needs further explanation.

Its not worth explaining rA, any effort to explain would only set off forum members with different opinions and entrenched views, and I've been trying to avoid that both personally and as a mod recently.

[MadAmster]

Arrrrrrrrrh, Swalesplaining kicks in.

No explanations he says, yet fails to acknowledge that folks are sick to death with the recent crop of governments and their idealistic ways.

So, I'll ask the mighty sage himself, why is Europe drifting towards right wing politics and will do so here, with the current shower making the last Tories look good?

Come on Einstein, lets have it your words, after the public rejected the EU, the yanks went back to Trump and Europes governments are tripping over themselves to steady a rocking boat.

Or you could just sit in you corner, hurling abuse in the Swale family tradition

Q1. In which European country was the most recent election?

Q2. How did any Le Pen/Wilders type of candidates/parties fare?

[ramAnag]

Its not worth explaining rA, any effort to explain would only set off forum members with different opinions and entrenched views, and I've been trying to avoid that both personally and as a mod recently.

I suspect saying something like, ‘I mean the sort of madness that makes normal people think twice before putting one front of the other’, is intended to provoke.
Little point in being provocative if no one understands what you mean and I, for one, don’t. Little point also in blaming your reluctance to explain on the ‘entrenched’ views of others. Bit of ‘Trickyspeak’ going on there and you’re better than that.

[swaledale]

Q1. In which European country was the most recent election?

Q2. How did any Le Pen/Wilders type of candidates/parties fare?

I've just finished reading a book on the fall of France in WW2 and the Americans handling of it, very interesting reading which threw up a few interesting points.

The first was that a nationalistic, isolationist USA, had prior to WW2 relied upon France and the UK to hold back fascism in Europe and had not bothered to spend a great proportion of its economy on defence. They were caught napping when France folded, they thought it would be able to resist the Germans. Even after the fall of France the USA recognised Vichy France (the unoccupied bit) and was actively assisting them with aid. Even when it was clear that those in charge of Vichy were basically toadying up to Hitler in the hope of forming a German/French future the USA still supported them.

The second was that the French whether those in Vichy or De Gaulle's "Free French" were far more concerned with what France's future would be after the WW2, rather than fighting the Germans and both blamed the collapse of the French army on "communist" and leftist elements undermining the spirit, rather than the failure of government and military.

In particular they were concerned about the rise of the communists, the loss of the French empire and their own personal political aims. The USA as now was divided between those who saw the danger of Germany (reinforced by Japans attack on pearl Harbor) and those who thought the war in Europe was of no concern to the USA.

What it did show was that nothing much changes really as one can see with the current chaos in France and Germany, rather than blame the failure of opposing groups to be able to compromise and work for the greater good of the country, each faction sees the chaos as a way of advancing their own agendas and a possible route to power. In the meantime the general populace suffers and so does the economy.

Obviously its a simple summary of a more complex set of issues, but basically nothing we are seeing in the USA or elsewhere is new.

[MadAmster]

Answers.

Q1 Ireland

Q2 next to nowt. 1 seat I think it was.

[Ramshank72]

Obviously its a simple summary of a more complex set of issues, but basically nothing we are seeing in the USA or elsewhere is new.

Yep.

[Andy_Faber]

I suspect saying something like, ?I mean the sort of madness that makes normal people think twice before putting one front of the other?, is intended to provoke.
Little point in being provocative if no one understands what you mean and I, for one, don?t. Little point also in blaming your reluctance to explain on the ?entrenched? views of others. Bit of ?Trickyspeak? going on there and you?re better than that.

Not intended to provoke at all, and it had the desired effect with one exception (yourself).

[ramAnag]

Not intended to provoke at all, and it had the desired effect with one exception (yourself).

Hardly provoked AF, just curious as to how you define ‘normal people’ and what you mean by being concerned about ‘putting one foot in front of the other’.
Still they’re your words and sentiments and if you don’t wish to explain that’s up to you.

[Andy_Faber]

Reinforcing my own, MA and TTR's assertion that there's nothing to choose between the blues or reds, today's news snippets include the observations that Keir Starmer has gladhanded the same middle eastern heads of state that he castigated Boris Johnson for in the recent past, and Angela Rayner, having described Boris as scum for, amongst other things, employing a personal photographer, has now done exactly the same. Clearly they both knew they were out of order in their respective actions, because they put up Angela Eagle to fend off the press with her God-given skill of providing answers so convoluted even the interviewer usually wishes they'd not bothered asking

[Andy_Faber]

Also of interest today, not a news item as such but an opinion piece on the R4 programme 'when it hits the fan', which predicts the dismantling of the Murdoch media empire, in summary due to his legal advisors making a horlicks of his succession planning. As a constant critic of the way The Media 'gaslights' us I'd be delighted if this came to pass

[Andy_Faber]

I suspect saying something like, ?I mean the sort of madness that makes normal people think twice before putting one front of the other?, is intended to provoke.
Little point in being provocative if no one understands what you mean and I, for one, don?t. Little point also in blaming your reluctance to explain on the ?entrenched? views of others. Bit of ?Trickyspeak? going on there and you?re better than that.

I?ve bided my time and I may have an example you understand. All depends on your answer to this question. What are your top 5 comedy series of all time? Don?t think about it, what pops straight into your head?

[ramAnag]

I?ve bided my time and I may have an example you understand. All depends on your answer to this question. What are your top 5 comedy series of all time? Don?t think about it, what pops straight into your head?

Just like that? Top of my head?
Monty Python, Citizen Smith, Rising Damp, Dad’s Army, Till Death us do Part. They’re the five that spring most immediately to mind anyway.

[SithHappens]

Frasier, Goodnight Sweetheart, The Inbetweeners, The Office, Only Fools