Election Year or Fear!

[MadAmster]

The man who posts someone posted something palpably untrue, refuses to back it up by explaining exactly what was untrue about it and then asks for examples from others.

Round and round in circles we go. Where it ends up, nobody knows.

[Geoff Parkstone]

"even GP..." thats the last time I come to your defence !!

I do think it fair to say that, based on my experience of West Ham fans at the time, they would have smashed the shops up regardless of ownership by Asians or even if owned by welsh hillfarmers or aliens from Uranus. Were they racist? By and large yes, but did they enjoy trashing places? Very much so. So probably a double benefit: skinheads were equal opportunity hooligans.

[SithHappens]

A new mega poll suggests Reform will be the biggest party if an election were held today

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-labour-yougov-poll-mrp-general-election-b2777255.html

Puts them on 271 seats, labour 178, lib dems 81 and tories 46

While I still think the current levels of support for Reform won't be maintained, it would be interesting if it did happen.

Firstly, it would not be a majority and I really don't see any if the other parties forming a coalition. Maybe the tories if they had enough seats but not on these numbers.

Is it feasible labour, lib dems and tories form a coalition to keep Reform out of no 10?

Secondly, Farage as PM, should it happen we know he's not capable of being a serious politician who could do the job of PM. Would he step down as leader immediately or try and have a go at it? I know comments have been made about Starmers longevity as PM, but I would put money on Farage not lasting 6 months.

I still think it's a moot point and labour will rally enough to secure a vastly reduced majority or at least the ability to form a coalition with the lib dems.

[Andy_Faber]

Lol! Is that it? Is that really the best you’ve got?

Even you say it’s ‘not pertinent to the conversation’, so why mention it? But here goes, by way of reply.

Firstly, context is everything. The Liverpool thread had moved away from the specific incident to Sith (because he is, I think, the youngest of us all) asking when the problem of hooliganism began.
I replied that my first memories of it were Millwall in the early-mid sixties but that the worst I’d actually witnessed was West Ham fans smashing up the area around the BBG in the late seventies/early eighties.

If you knew anything at all you’d know that West Ham, like Millwall, at that time had a reputation for having a significant proportion of fans who were noted for their violence and also their racist behaviour.
As even GP acknowledges, the area around the BBG, was well known for its Asian population and the vast majority of shops in the area being Asian owned.
As it happens, that night I had to walk back from the BBG across Normanton to Stafford Street where I had parked outside a mate’s flat.
The initial part of that journey was the most frightening of my ‘football life’. It is the only time I have ever seen the police corralling ordinary match goers saying it was not safe to go up certain streets and when we eventually made it through the labyrinth of little streets that surrounded the BBG to get away up Normanton Road we saw that virtually every shop we passed had had its windows broken and now appeared to be protected - a bit shutting the stable door after the horse had bolted - by groups of angry and upset Asians.

That is what I saw. That is how I know. I used the term ‘coincidentally?’ because I cannot be 100% certain that the violence was racially motivated, but given the common knowledge of Normanton’s population and the reputation of a significant number of West Ham’s travelling supporters for organised violence and racist thuggery at the time, it doesn’t seem unlikely.

I recognise that you’ve been desperately trying to discredit anything I say since your flawed anecdotes were questioned and exposed earlier in the year but no…we don’t all do it. You do. I don’t, and you may believe what you like…but every word of that account is true.

I m not interested in your history lesson, the fact is you offered a falsehood and (just IMO) knew you did when you wrote it, which is hypocrisy given your comments elsewhere. End of discussion from me for the sake of the other posters

[ramAnag]

I m not interested in your history lesson, the fact is you offered a falsehood and (just IMO) knew you did when you wrote it, which is hypocrisy given your comments elsewhere. End of discussion from me for the sake of the other posters

Duck me, Andy. ‘History lesson’! What are you on?
You accuse me of virtue signalling and dispute the details of an account you asked for clarification of and now you’re still banging on about me ‘offering a falsehood’ and accusing me of hypocrisy before running away again ‘for the sake of other posters’.

What ‘falsehood’? Where is the example of ‘hypocrisy’? Stop writing the first thing that comes into your head and grow up.

[ramAnag]

P.S. You want a date for the game? Just looked it up…7th October 1981. Paul Goddard was playing…for them! Derby lost 2-3 but it sounds closer than it was if I remember correctly. Anything else you need…let me know.

[SithHappens]

What was the weather and pollen count ? 🤪

[SithHappens]

and number one

[ramAnag]

What was the weather and pollen count ? ��

No idea…October , but I probably only went because the dad of the mate I went with used to play in goal for West Ham a few times in the fifties (Bob Wyllie) and I didn’t actually support Derby in those days…just an interested onlooker.

[MadAmster]

1981. 6 years after the Mile End Boys got a kicking at Wembley from the Derby lads of the time (predates the DLF). First out of the ground were mainly women and children. They got hit with stones, bottles, anything the crafty Cockneys could get their hands on. The Derby fans outside tried to get back in. The stewards started to lock the gates to prevent that. Kev O'Reilly told them to leave them open or get battered. The gates were left open and the usual lads, backed up by a lot of South Derbyshire miners poured down the steps and waded into the MEB. MEB took a battering and found a new respect for Derby fans, no longer thinking they were a small town pushover.

Following that they were out for revenge every time we played each other and I firmly believe that their escapades that night had their basis in Wembley 1975.

[Geoff Parkstone]

and number one

For me - temperature 28C, rainfall 0.0 inches, humidity 73%, #1 Arthurs Theme - Christopher Cross, pollen count - low

[SithHappens]

For me - temperature 28C, rainfall 0.0 inches, humidity 73%, #1 Arthurs Theme - Christopher Cross, pollen count - low

Vaguely familiar with Arthur's theme, their 92 classic Jump sticks more in my mind 🤪🤪

[Geoff Parkstone]

No idea…October , but I probably only went because the dad of the mate I went with used to play in goal for West Ham a few times in the fifties (Bob Wyllie) and I didn’t actually support Derby in those days…just an interested onlooker.

Dont let AF know but Mick Coop was playing in that game

[Andy_Faber]

Dont let AF know but Mick Coop was playing in that game

Hence the score

[Andy_Faber]

A new mega poll suggests Reform will be the biggest party if an election were held today

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-labour-yougov-poll-mrp-general-election-b2777255.html

Puts them on 271 seats, labour 178, lib dems 81 and tories 46

While I still think the current levels of support for Reform won't be maintained, it would be interesting if it did happen.

Firstly, it would not be a majority and I really don't see any if the other parties forming a coalition. Maybe the tories if they had enough seats but not on these numbers.

Is it feasible labour, lib dems and tories form a coalition to keep Reform out of no 10?

Secondly, Farage as PM, should it happen we know he's not capable of being a serious politician who could do the job of PM. Would he step down as leader immediately or try and have a go at it? I know comments have been made about Starmers longevity as PM, but I would put money on Farage not lasting 6 months.

I still think it's a moot point and labour will rally enough to secure a vastly reduced majority or at least the ability to form a coalition with the lib dems.

I saw that poll. It’s a bit far out to draw any conclusions, we’ve seen disrupter parties burn bright but brief before - the ‘prepare for government’ SDP fgs is a good example.

A better bet IMO is for changes in the makeup of HMG after yet another climb down today, maybe as high as the PM himself, very much a dog being waved by its tail. God help us if TTR is proved right…