New coach thread

[WTF11]

Great coaches who coach players to be great ?

Bate, Drameh, Poveda, Shackleton, Klaesson, Cresswell, Perkins & Greenwood have played under great coaches, 'tho some folks may argue lack of 'game time' held them back as others may suggest they where 'fringe' players or even they had other issues to contend with.

Banged on in my time on here about players with potential but recent analysis of over 4,000 players who were in top-tier 'Category One' academies revealed that 97 per cent never made a single PL appearance !

Not quite the same case in French Ligue 1 as the better ones end up leaving France.
Around 7 per cent of all players entering French academies sign a professional contract in Ligue 1.
Of those in an academy system during their early age years only about 4 per cent make it to a top-tier professional Ligue 1 club.
When looking at all registered players in France, only a minuscule 0.03 per cent end up playing in Ligue 1 or Ligue 2 often working under decent coaches too.

Despite high production rates of talent, the odds for any individual player entering the system to make it to the top level remain very slim in any top league regardless of Coaches.

Saying all that, developing young players is a clear priority for many French clubs with their business model dependent on 'selling them' for substantial profits. The minutes afforded to young 'uns in Ligue 1 are 'tho significantly higher than the other top 5 leagues & thats been a clear pattern across recent seasons & why so many French young players get picked off to play all over to be part of teams with better players to show full potential.

Mmm, to join a club with better players & good coaches ?
Well Villa may fit that bill suppose so whats gone wrong there then H ?
Their board, PSR, poor substitutions, moaning fans or poor transfer choices ?
As for a promising player handled by good coaches but never worked out as yet ?
Eddie Nketiah.

Obviously not gonna agree but to define a good coach equals producing great young 'uns requires slightly more focus on surrounding factors to each individual situation in my book.

Could have, should have or can be defines every signing whatever age but what will be will what we see - so heres hoping that the DF rules will come of age. 👍

And with all those named in your first paragraph you wiuld suggest Farke has been anything but catastrophically unsuccessful?

Your statement, with which i wholeheartedly agree......

"to define a good coach equals producing great young 'uns requires slightly more focus on surrounding factors to each individual situation in my book."

Farke wouldn't know how to do that if his life depended on it

[WTF11]

Your apparent approach on this board and most likely in life is to be king of wind up. The opinions you have are often readable and reasoned but your attitude towards others who comment stinks.

You affect the support of this board as people cant be arsed with your attacks and dont want to engage on topics because of you. You only seem happy when you can have a go at folk. A shame really. Perhaps you are needy person.

Personally, I think wind up merchants hitting keyboards to attack others belong exactly where they usually end up …………. With an oversized ego and lonely.

Btw, I'm most definitely NOT a "needy person", quite the opposite but given your "view" of Trump I'd suggest that your analysis of personality types isn't exactly flawless.

[ozleeds]

Great coaches who coach players to be great ?

Bate, Drameh, Poveda, Shackleton, Klaesson, Cresswell, Perkins & Greenwood have played under great coaches, 'tho some folks may argue lack of 'game time' held them back as others may suggest they where 'fringe' players or even they had other issues to contend with.

Banged on in my time on here about players with potential but recent analysis of over 4,000 players who were in top-tier 'Category One' academies revealed that 97 per cent never made a single PL appearance !

Not quite the same case in French Ligue 1 as the better ones end up leaving France.
Around 7 per cent of all players entering French academies sign a professional contract in Ligue 1.
Of those in an academy system during their early age years only about 4 per cent make it to a top-tier professional Ligue 1 club.
When looking at all registered players in France, only a minuscule 0.03 per cent end up playing in Ligue 1 or Ligue 2 often working under decent coaches too.

Despite high production rates of talent, the odds for any individual player entering the system to make it to the top level remain very slim in any top league regardless of Coaches.

Saying all that, developing young players is a clear priority for many French clubs with their business model dependent on 'selling them' for substantial profits. The minutes afforded to young 'uns in Ligue 1 are 'tho significantly higher than the other top 5 leagues & thats been a clear pattern across recent seasons & why so many French young players get picked off to play all over to be part of teams with better players to show full potential.

Mmm, to join a club with better players & good coaches ?
Well Villa may fit that bill suppose so whats gone wrong there then H ?
Their board, PSR, poor substitutions, moaning fans or poor transfer choices ?
As for a promising player handled by good coaches but never worked out as yet ?
Eddie Nketiah.

Obviously not gonna agree but to define a good coach equals producing great young 'uns requires slightly more focus on surrounding factors to each individual situation in my book.

Could have, should have or can be defines every signing whatever age but what will be will what we see - so heres hoping that the DF rules will come of age. ��

Totty young ones don't get a chance at any club. They are too busy spending squillions on imports instead of within. Growing up here, we had a multicultural league. My team, Hellas (South Melbourne) was mostly Greek-born players with a couple Ozzies and won everything. EG Viduka started with Croatia. Now they are not recognisable, my team does not have one Greek in the starting lineup. Whoever created this monstrous movement should be lined up and shot—corruption everywhere where football doesn't matter anymore. We go through the motions, pretending that something is there when it's not. Anyway, alahhh akba will run everything soon, so they might fix football cough.

[UbiqueLUFC33]

I?d go back for big Sam before I?d go for Gerrard

I'd go for Hell freezing over before either of them.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Totty young ones don't get a chance at any club. They are too busy spending squillions on imports instead of within. Growing up here, we had a multicultural league. My team, Hellas (South Melbourne) was mostly Greek-born players with a couple Ozzies and won everything. EG Viduka started with Croatia. Now they are not recognisable, my team does not have one Greek in the starting lineup. Whoever created this monstrous movement should be lined up and shot—corruption everywhere where football doesn't matter anymore. We go through the motions, pretending that something is there when it's not. Anyway, alahhh akba will run everything soon, so they might fix football cough.

A fair few prem teams manage it Oz

Liverpool have a good track record over the last 5 years

So do city - they have several youngsters in the team this year who have had game time over the past few seasons.

So do Arsenal - look at Max Dolman

So do Forest, Brighton (who then sell on the players), Chelsea, Spurs and Newcastle. Spam are now playing two relative kids in midfield and they are doing well.

Farke has publicly stated at the start of the season he doesn’t really give youngsters game time other than being around the team and on the bench.

Crew and Gray are both good enough to have minutes by now. It will never happen with Farke - he doesn’t rotate and whilst slightly better this season brings subs on late.

Fine if he gets results but we aren’t a club that can afford not to utilise any up and coming talent we have - it’s stupid from a football perspective and crazy from a PSR perspective.

He blocked Piroe leaving from reports out there and yet now doesn’t trust him to play. The latter is probably right which makes the former illogical.

Farke is far far better than a lot of the dross we have had in the last 20 years but it seems clear he just isn’t good enough at this level.

[ozleeds]

A fair few prem teams manage it Oz

Liverpool have a good track record over the last 5 years

So do city - they have several youngsters in the team this year who have had game time over the past few seasons.

So do Arsenal - look at Max Dolman

So do Forest, Brighton (who then sell on the players), Chelsea, Spurs and Newcastle. Spam are now playing two relative kids in midfield and they are doing well.

Farke has publicly stated at the start of the season he doesn?’t really give youngsters game time other than being around the team and on the bench.

Crew and Gray are both good enough to have minutes by now. It will never happen with Farke - he doesn?’t rotate and whilst slightly better this season brings subs on late.

Fine if he gets results but we aren?’t a club that can afford not to utilise any up and coming talent we have - it?’s stupid from a football perspective and crazy from a PSR perspective.

He blocked Piroe leaving from reports out there and yet now doesn?’t trust him to play. The latter is probably right which makes the former illogical.

Farke is far far better than a lot of the dross we have had in the last 20 years but it seems clear he just isn?’t good enough at this level.

It's not only Farke's decision, but the recruiting is abysmal to say the least. The fact that he plays mostly on the championship team says it all. It's not farkes fault as everyone knew and was told he isn't a top-flight manager and is proving it once again. We all blame him most weeks, but it all falls on the 49ers whom people thought was another saving grace. Good business people, all going well except the team. Why would they care money rolling in as people pay between 270 to 500 pounds a game to watch the same thrash excuse for a team.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

It's not only Farke's decision, but the recruiting is abysmal to say the least. The fact that he plays mostly on the championship team says it all. It's not farkes fault as everyone knew and was told he isn't a top-flight manager and is proving it once again. We all blame him most weeks, but it all falls on the 49ers whom people thought was another saving grace. Good business people, all going well except the team. Why would they care money rolling in as people pay between 270 to 500 pounds a game to watch the same thrash excuse for a team.

Nah - we have had some cracking kids whether home grown or recruited in the last 7 years

Struijk
Meslier
Joffy
Gyabi
Cresswell x2
Crew
Gray x2
Chambers
Kid that went to City

Of the younger ones in the list only Archie Gray got any meaningful game time under Farke and that was through necessity born out of injuries.

Watch a bit of the u21 and some good players there

[spaldy]

Likely that Gray, Cresswell and Pirie could play some minutes with a different coach. We'll never know.

Keep playing DCL when we are toothless in a game. Makes total sense

[spaldy]

We'll likely lose all three when relegated and they'll go on to be solid prem players.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Great coaches who coach players to be great ?

Bate, Drameh, Poveda, Shackleton, Klaesson, Cresswell, Perkins & Greenwood have played under great coaches, 'tho some folks may argue lack of 'game time' held them back as others may suggest they where 'fringe' players or even they had other issues to contend with.

Banged on in my time on here about players with potential but recent analysis of over 4,000 players who were in top-tier 'Category One' academies revealed that 97 per cent never made a single PL appearance !

Not quite the same case in French Ligue 1 as the better ones end up leaving France.
Around 7 per cent of all players entering French academies sign a professional contract in Ligue 1.
Of those in an academy system during their early age years only about 4 per cent make it to a top-tier professional Ligue 1 club.
When looking at all registered players in France, only a minuscule 0.03 per cent end up playing in Ligue 1 or Ligue 2 often working under decent coaches too.

Despite high production rates of talent, the odds for any individual player entering the system to make it to the top level remain very slim in any top league regardless of Coaches.

Saying all that, developing young players is a clear priority for many French clubs with their business model dependent on 'selling them' for substantial profits. The minutes afforded to young 'uns in Ligue 1 are 'tho significantly higher than the other top 5 leagues & thats been a clear pattern across recent seasons & why so many French young players get picked off to play all over to be part of teams with better players to show full potential.

Mmm, to join a club with better players & good coaches ?
Well Villa may fit that bill suppose so whats gone wrong there then H ?
Their board, PSR, poor substitutions, moaning fans or poor transfer choices ?
As for a promising player handled by good coaches but never worked out as yet ?
Eddie Nketiah.

Obviously not gonna agree but to define a good coach equals producing great young 'uns requires slightly more focus on surrounding factors to each individual situation in my book.

Could have, should have or can be defines every signing whatever age but what will be will what we see - so heres hoping that the DF rules will come of age. 👍

Again trying to answer arguments I haven?t made. I have provided specific examples of players we have with potential and those we had who are now doing well elsewhere.

I know the overall stats but they would be even lower for us under Farke as the kids do t get a proper look in.

Take the example I gave of Liverpool - over the last few years

Harry Wilson
Ryan Kent
Trent AA
Doak
Elliot
Bradley
Jones
Williams


Most or all of them all got some team time at some point.

Take city and the endless kids they bring through -Foden being a prime example.

Yea they have huge development sets ups and the attrition rates are high but the overall point re Farke is they wouldn?t have got a look in here.

[Monaco_Totty]

Again trying to answer arguments I haven?t made. I have provided specific examples of players we have with potential and those we had who are now doing well elsewhere.

I know the overall stats but they would be even lower for us under Farke as the kids do t get a proper look in.

Take the example I gave of Liverpool - over the last few years

Harry Wilson
Ryan Kent
Trent AA
Doak
Elliot
Bradley
Jones
Williams


Most or all of them all got some team time at some point.

Take city and the endless kids they bring through -Foden being a prime example.

Yea they have huge development sets ups and the attrition rates are high but the overall point re Farke is they wouldn?t have got a look in here.

Answering arguments ?
I come on here to express my opinion H.

No argument quoting Liverpool & Citeh as we are Leeds living well outside the PL mega bucks world.
If we were able to produce one player no way would they have stayed with us, imo, for a variety of reasons even with given game time guarantees & what coach would ever give such a commitment in todays squad scenario to a developing youngster. Gray was given games, by Farke, cos he was 'special' but now he has lots more to learn before the next required progress stage.

Wanna keep it calm H, as every post lately suggests you aint a happy clapper which i stated would happen as this year we needed to scrape a PL survival place, end of & as warned it certainly wont be pretty to watch from a squad currently delivering exactly what their skill-sets had to offer us, imo, back then & obviously now.
Our limitations are well known & our targets are set but quoting latest flavour coaches aint my scene.

Just saying

[WTF11]

Answering arguments ?
I come on here to express my opinion H.

No argument quoting Liverpool & Citeh as we are Leeds living well outside the PL mega bucks world.
If we were able to produce one player no way would they have stayed with us, imo, for a variety of reasons even with given game time guarantees & what coach would ever give such a commitment in todays squad scenario to a developing youngster. Gray was given games, by Farke, cos he was 'special' but now he has lots more to learn before the next required progress stage.

Wanna keep it calm H, as every post lately suggests you aint a happy clapper which i stated would happen as this year we needed to scrape a PL survival place, end of & as warned it certainly wont be pretty to watch from a squad currently delivering exactly what their skill-sets had to offer us, imo, back then & obviously now.
Our limitations are well known & our targets are set but quoting latest flavour coaches aint my scene.

Just saying

I suspect that HO, like many others, both those who post here and on other fora, would be prepared to accept the kind of limitations you mention, IF we were fielding our best side and IF we used substitutes wisely and had tactics that made sense. None of those criteria are being met, and there is only one reason why, Farke.

We field players who are not as good as those who seem permanent fixtures on the bench

Substitutions make no sense, either in terms of player for player replacement or the "discretionary" timing of replacements (as opposed to those brought about through injury)

Its not really appropriate to describe how we play as having a tactical context, we either rush around like kids in the playground or play tippy-tappy possession-centric with no end result.

Apart from the Everton game, Our wins so far this season have come against sides that were all at sea, whereas when we came up against organised sides, including Burnley!), who knew what we had to offer in terms of threat (not much!) we posed no real danger of winning. Dyche will set Forest up similarly, and we then face real opposition following the break. God help us.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Pretty much.

I also get what you are saying MT but seem to be suggesting I’m saying things about Farke that I’m not.

He is a decent coach but not what we need in this league and his failings are frustrating especially if you are at a game (I have been to some this season).

I believe I mentioned Stach in particular and not taking him off when he was clearly knackered and he then gets injured and then loses form. It’s not rocket science an u10s coach should be able to see it.

[Monaco_Totty]

Pretty much.

I also get what you are saying MT but seem to be suggesting I’m saying things about Farke that I’m not.

He is a decent coach but not what we need in this league and his failings are frustrating especially if you are at a game (I have been to some this season).

I believe I mentioned Stach in particular and not taking him off when he was clearly knackered and he then gets injured and then loses form. It’s not rocket science an u10s coach should be able to see it.

I DO get your mantra by now H on Farke, ok.

Obviously my mates all still go week in home & away as my Dad does too, so i get a real feel of the positive & negative vibes thrown my way.

So, best starting 11 from our resident coaches on here then & why ?

Who exactly should be starting in place of who then for Forest, as per usual we have many being managed still with niggles becoming available for the clash, according to DF presser.
Centre back ?
Midfield ?
Attack ?

According to the metric known as Expected Goals Conceded, aka xGC, which essentially measures the quality of chances each team has faced & therefore how many goals they were expected to concede it appears Leeds have one of the PL best defences so far despite a few drubbings & of course our main problem still being the inability to not finishing our chances when they have been made available.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

I DO get your mantra by now H on Farke, ok.

Obviously my mates all still go week in home & away as my Dad does too, so i get a real feel of the positive & negative vibes thrown my way.

So, best starting 11 from our resident coaches on here then & why ?

Who exactly should be starting in place of who then for Forest, as per usual we have many being managed still with niggles becoming available for the clash, according to DF presser.
Centre back ?
Midfield ?
Attack ?

According to the metric known as Expected Goals Conceded, aka xGC, which essentially measures the quality of chances each team has faced & therefore how many goals they were expected to concede it appears Leeds have one of the PL best defences so far despite a few drubbings & of course our main problem still being the inability to not finishing our chances when they have been made available.

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