O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[drillerpie]

What spooks them is when the buffoon adds 'high wage, high skill' to that formula and talks about levelling up.
Makes them think maybe he's serious, sees a role for the state in building the country

Agreed.

[Elite_Pie]

So now we have a picture of the Tories enjoying a cheese and wine party in the back garden of No 10. Dominic Raab claims it took place after a long day of meetings so was within the rules. It clearly wasn't. The rules that they introduced said people could go to work for essential business that couldn't be done from home. Then they had to go home. Getting together for a few drinks after work was strictly forbidden. So the PM flouts the rules, and the deputy PM doesn't know what they are.

When will people wake up to the fact that we are being governed by a bunch of lying, cheating, incompetent scumbags?

[BanjoPie]

So now we have a picture of the Tories enjoying a cheese and wine party in the back garden of No 10. Dominic Raab claims it took place after a long day of meetings so was within the rules. It clearly wasn't. The rules that they introduced said people could go to work for essential business that couldn't be done from home. Then they had to go home. Getting together for a few drinks after work was strictly forbidden. So the PM flouts the rules, and the deputy PM doesn't know what they are.

When will people wake up to the fact that we are being governed by a bunch of lying, cheating, incompetent scumbags?

Serious question, whilst I agree with much of what you say, would now be a good time for the government to collapse?

[Elite_Pie]

Serious question, whilst I agree with much of what you say, would now be a good time for the government to collapse?

I don't suppose there is a good time for a government to collapse, but every day this bunch remain in charge is a day too long. I know an honest government is stretching credibility to the limit, but all we are getting is lie after lie after lie. Surely somewhere in the Tory party there is a semi-corrupt leader and cabinet rather than a totally corrupt leader and cabinet?

[magpie_mania]

I don't suppose there is a good time for a government to collapse, but every day this bunch remain in charge is a day too long. I know an honest government is stretching credibility to the limit, but all we are getting is lie after lie after lie. Surely somewhere in the Tory party there is a semi-corrupt leader and cabinet rather than a totally corrupt leader and cabinet?

I think we need someone unconnected with the cabinet to lead, some of cabinet are ok. We need a safe pair of hands at the moment, Jeremy Hunt?

[Elite_Pie]

I don't suppose there is a good time for a government to collapse, but every day this bunch remain in charge is a day too long. I know an honest government is stretching credibility to the limit, but all we are getting is lie after lie after lie. Surely somewhere in the Tory party there is a semi-corrupt leader and cabinet rather than a totally corrupt leader and cabinet?

Pretty well summed in this paragraph taken from an article in the i:

"We saw a similar Raab-style defence early on in “partygate”, when No 10, the PM and other ministers all stressed that staff were relaxing because they had “worked incredibly hard” through the year. Again, tell that to those doctors, nurses and midwives who weren’t allowed to gather socially at all last December – and who stuck to the rules. This is the kind of tone-deafness that is so corrosive of any government’s hopes of staying in power. It suggests that the party has been in power for so long that it has forgotten basic political hygiene as much as the public health restrictions it itself set. The difficulty for Boris Johnson is that every new photo, every video, every leaked document confirms suspicions that his Downing Street had a culture where the rules were bent, not observed. The garden party image suggests not “gruelling conditions” but ruling conditions, of a bubble that couldn’t see anything wrong with its actions. Most worrying of all, it seems that those within the bubble still can’t".

[BanjoPie]

“Sigh”!!!

[americanpie]

“Sigh”!!!

Me too !!!

[forwardmagpie]

Well done Boris for not introducing more restrictions at the moment unlike Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Labour in Wales seem to be making a pigs ear of it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59803105

Puts on tin hat 😏

[Elite_Pie]

Well done Boris for not introducing more restrictions at the moment unlike Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

At last, we've found someone who's actually 'impressed with the leadership'!

[forwardmagpie]

At last, we've found someone who's actually 'impressed with the leadership'!

Just checking Elite would you like more restrictions at the moment? - yes or no will do

[Elite_Pie]

Just checking Elite would you like more restrictions at the moment? - yes or no will do

I wouldn't like them, but they might be needed. They might not be needed, so my honest answer is that I don't know. There will come a time when restrictions will do more harm than good in the bigger picture, and I'm glad I'm not the one who has to make the decision. My suspicious mind tells me that pressure from backbenchers challenging his position has caused Boris to go down this route this as much as any science, so let's all hope he's chosen the right direction.

[forwardmagpie]

I wouldn't like them, but they might be needed. They might not be needed, so my honest answer is that I don't know. There will come a time when restrictions will do more harm than good in the bigger picture, and I'm glad I'm not the one who has to make the decision. My suspicious mind tells me that pressure from backbenchers challenging his position has caused Boris to go down this route this as much as any science, so let's all hope he's chosen the right direction.

🤷*♂️

[jackal2]

My suspicious mind tells me that pressure from backbenchers challenging his position has caused Boris to go down this route

I think your suspicious mind is right, but if that's the case then all credit to the backbenchers.

[magpie_mania]

If the science shows that new restrictions will not help then I would be happy if we don't have any. But new guidance / restrictions does not mean full lockdown again.

I have two things that I think are concerning.

Firstly, if Boris says no to any change purely to save his own back and job, when the right way would be to introduce some, even minor, alterations.

Secondly, if he says that we don't need any changes which most people see as a green light that everything is ok now. Clearly, we all need to still be cautious and think about others, but that is lessening and might erode even further.