O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Although taken from such a miniscule amount of peoples voting intentions, it is very encouraging to see Reform with 10% of that figure.
I think there is scope for this to grow quite quickly now, with the Tories, and now Labour imploding. I think a lot of that Labour vote is from people who have been fed up with the Tories, so decided to just vote for someone different. However, with seeing Reform already having half the support of the Tories, and Labour in full squabble mode, their could be a big shift, especially with Farage getting good exposure to a different audience, in The Jungle, if he decides to jump aboard Richard Tice's ship.

You are gold dust, pure gold dust !! X

[Elite_Pie]

Although taken from such a miniscule amount of peoples voting intentions, it is very encouraging to see Reform with 10% of that figure.

I agree, very encouraging. I think that while Reform UK won't win a single seat, in most cases every vote for them is a vote less for the Tories.

However, with seeing Reform already having half the support of the Tories.

And this is where you enter your little fantasy world again. That just isn't true.

[OP67]

I'm beginning to wonder if the next election will involve Sunak and Starmer. I can see both of them out in the new year

[Kent Magpie]

Laugh at this racist.


Westminster voting intention

27pt Labour lead

 Lab 46% (+2)
 Con 19% (-4)
 Lib Dem 9% (-1)
➡️ Reform 10% (+2)
 Greens 8% (+1)
️ SNP 5% (+1)

Via @FindoutnowUK
2,198 GB adults, 13-14 Nov

Interesting.... The SNP at the bottom of that pile is likely to get more seats than any of the above except Labour and Tory who are likely to be very close despite the large gap in the poll. It seems to me that this demonstrates all that is wrong with our voting system... mind you the alternative is likely to give a disproportionate voice to the likes of Reform.

[Newish Pie]

Interesting.... The SNP at the bottom of that pile is likely to get more seats than any of the above except Labour and Tory who are likely to be very close despite the large gap in the poll. It seems to me that this demonstrates all that is wrong with our voting system... mind you the alternative is likely to give a disproportionate voice to the likes of Reform.

Absolutely agree with the need to change the voting system. So-called 'Reform' are a mix of fruitcakes and bigots (some closeted, some not so much), but like the Kippers before them, they're entitled to fair representation of their views the same as everyone else. It's kind of inevitable that there's going to be some hard right party in some form, the only question is what form it takes and how far right it goes.

A good point someone once made was that UKIP was probably one of the most moderate hard right parties in Europe, and that harder right versions were possible, like the BNP briefly threatened. I know less about Reform, but I suspect that most of the hard right headbangers feel comfortable enough in the Tory party.

[Kent Magpie]

Absolutely agree with the need to change the voting system. So-called 'Reform' are a mix of fruitcakes and bigots (some closeted, some not so much), but like the Kippers before them, they're entitled to fair representation of their views the same as everyone else. It's kind of inevitable that there's going to be some hard right party in some form, the only question is what form it takes and how far right it goes.

A good point someone once made was that UKIP was probably one of the most moderate hard right parties in Europe, and that harder right versions were possible, like the BNP briefly threatened. I know less about Reform, but I suspect that most of the hard right headbangers feel comfortable enough in the Tory party.

I agree with all that.

[Elite_Pie]

*** COVID INQUIRY SHOCKER ***

Boris Johnson caught telling the truth

"The extract says Johnson "looked broken - head in hands a lot", and quotes the PM saying "We are too sh!t to get our act together".

[Magpies1959]

Boris and Laddo still winding you up EP 🤣🤣🤣

[countygump]

I agree with all that.

I voted for PR in 2011, I think I was the only one.

[BigFatPie]

*** COVID INQUIRY SHOCKER ***

Boris Johnson caught telling the truth

"The extract says Johnson "looked broken - head in hands a lot", and quotes the PM saying "We are too sh!t to get our act together".

If there was a chance that Johnson and Sunak might end up where they belong, in jail, there’s no way they’d be having an enquiry.

Nevertheless it’s nice to have confirmed what anyone with at least half a brain already knew. These people aren’t fit to run a raffle.

[Elite_Pie]

Boris and Laddo still winding you up EP ������

Boris yes, laddo no.

Doesn't the fact that Boris knowingly lied to parliament wind you up?

Or wasn't it reported on GB News?

[applepie2]

I voted for PR in 2011, I think I was the only one.

You didn’t. AV is not proportional.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Boris yes, laddo no.

Doesn't the fact that Boris knowingly lied to parliament wind you up?

Or wasn't it reported on GB News?

You know the answer to the Boris question !? I'm sure it will be ,it could have been worse at least we didn't have Corbyn in charge, followed closely by they all lie !!

[magpie_mania]

If there was a chance that Johnson and Sunak might end up where they belong, in jail, there’s no way they’d be having an enquiry.

Nevertheless it’s nice to have confirmed what anyone with at least half a brain already knew. These people aren’t fit to run a raffle.

It's only to see what we can learn in case of a future event.

Johnson must have something about him to make his supporters so loyal. It's been embarrassing how they were acting.

Not sure anyone has come out of it well.

[Newish Pie]

It's only to see what we can learn in case of a future event.

Johnson must have something about him to make his supporters so loyal. It's been embarrassing how they were acting.

Not sure anyone has come out of it well.

That first line is especially spot on.

The Enquiry has a difficult job to do. We need to learn lessons... even the most harshest critic of the Johnson regime would readily admit that the pandemic was a set of circumstances that would test the most competent of administrations to the absolute limit. And even the most ardent of Johson fanboys and girls would admit that they weren't... hang on, no they wouldn't. What am I saying?

The Enquiry needs to establish how we could have done better, not just in terms of the political leadership but in terms of the NHS, policing, preparedness... every aspect of the response, political and civil. We can only do that if people feel able to admit their mistakes so that we can learn from them.

But at the same time, there needs to be accountability. Quite how to balance all that, I'm not sure. Some of it (especially the corrupt and/or fraudulent PPE contracts) should be through criminal prosecutions.