O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Lullapie]

So unless you've lived in a different country, you've missed so much in life???

You don't half spout some bullsh!t.

You are very aggressive. I really don't understand why you are like that all of the time. There are posters on here who make very valid, good points and you and a few others, always act aggressively towards them. Have you always been like that?

I'll give you an example of why you are so obviously wrong.

I didn't become a dad until I was 41. My wife and I decided we didn't want children. We did so many things that people who we saw had tied themselves down young, didn't experience.

However, what we didn't experience was having children. We missed out until then on that and reading about it in a book or having someone's kids 'for the weekend' obviously wasn't the same.

I would have thought that the above was patently obvious, that if you haven't experienced something you have missed out on it.

When I speak to people who have emigrated they say that when they go back to England, their friends and family are doing the same thing they did when they left - there is nothing wrong with that, just an observation of many. It isn't just me, it's others who have emigrated too - but you've probably read somewhere that that isn't correct.

You can't get experience from a book or the Daily Mirror.

[Elite_Pie]

Don't make the common error though of confusing people who are anti-immigration and people who are anti-illegal immigration.

Has anyone on here ever said they are pro-illegal immigration?

Or is it a figment of your imagination?

[Lullapie]

Has anyone on here ever said they are pro-illegal immigration?

Or is it a figment of your imagination?

Where do you get 'pro-illegal immigration' from?

Are you resorting to making things up now?

You are starting to ramble.....

[Mud Pie]

If you understood what the literal definition of bigotry was, you would be saying that probably most of the posters on NCM could be classed as bigots.

Bigotry is defined as the fact of having and expressing strong, unreasonable beliefs and disliking other people who have different beliefs or a different way of life

My belief is that we are all born equally (from our mothers), and we all have the ability to do and achieve what we want - irrespective of creed or colour. You obviously strongly don't agree with that, so therefore you are being a bigot.

You are taking the common step of calling everyone who doesn't agree with your views 'bigots' and paraphrasing what the actual definition of the word is to suit YOUR argument.

you sound very confused, not least because you're putting words in my mouth that I didn't say and don't agree with.

I don't have the time or the will to debate it with you, Lulla sorry. Just to say that if you follow this logic to its reasonable conclusion, it would be bigoted to dislike serial killers, Naz!s, and ped0philes etc - which I don't think is what you really mean is it?

[Lullapie]

you sound very confused, not least because you're putting words in my mouth that I didn't say and don't agree with.

I don't have the time or the will to debate it with you, Lulla sorry. Just to say that if you follow this logic to its reasonable conclusion, it would be bigoted to dislike serial killers, Naz!s, and ped0philes etc - which I don't think is what you really mean is it?

You called me a bigot did you not and I showed the definition of what bigotry was - where am I putting words in your mouth?

I was saying that you are redefining a word to suit your argument. Quite humorous how you throw Nazis in with Pedophiles and Serial Killers - I think that shows where you're coming from.

You obviously don't know about German history. There were some good Nazis (Members of the German National Socialist Party), but these were purged and murdered during the Night of The Long Knives. Many of those murdered were murdered because they didn't support Hitler's views on persecuting Jews and going to war with neighbouring countries to promote lebensraum.



You even appeared to have a go at Smiffy Pie, who is probably one of the most balanced people on here.

[Mud Pie]

You tend to find that people who have emigrated to another country legally, are the most ardent supporters of enforcing that country's immigration system. It may be because they have experienced the damage that an unregulated immigration system can do.

I'm not going to get dragged into your nonsense [speaking to myself]. Suffice to say that I've been a legal immigrant in three countries, met lots of expats and 'foreigners', and I'd say I've only heard this opinion from a minority of extremists - who would probably also have been minority extremists in their country of origin. You can't take the pat out of the expat, as they say.

[Lullapie]

I'm not going to get dragged into your nonsense [speaking to myself]. Suffice to say that I've been a legal immigrant in three countries, met lots of expats and 'foreigners', and I'd say I've only heard this opinion from a minority of extremists - who would probably also have been minority extremists in their country of origin. You can't take the pat out of the expat, as they say.

I know, because you're full of it . Who can believe a word you say?

There's no bigger example of bigotry than you lumping all people from a political party together as being bad. A perfect example, without you being clever enough to notice it - LOL.

As well as the bigoted ex-pat comment .

[Mud Pie]

Who can believe a word you say?

against my better judgement... anyone can prove anything online I guess, so I won't bother but it doesn't feel nice to have people challenge my honesty, so... I've actually lived and worked in more countries than that, but 3 long term (4 incl UK), and really don't care what you believe as your compass is waaaaay doolally. To be fair though you're partly right as one of the countries I wasn't a full legal immigrant, just on work visas but for nearly a decade, the others I had to do the full paperwork.

Think you'll find you're not as special as you seem to think you are. Off the top of my head, Driller, NW6, ThaiPie, and Slack, and many others have referred to spending extended time living and working in other countries.

There's no bigger example of bigotry than you lumping all people from a political party together as being bad. A perfect example, without you being clever enough to notice it - LOL

except I've NEVER said that, so....

As well as the bigoted ex-pat comment .

bruh! Guess you don't need an educashun in NZ to be on a PTA board.

[Mud Pie]

bruh! Guess you don't need an educashun in NZ to be on a PTA board.

I'm sorry, that was rude. Can't edit it now, but consider it retracted. Rest assured, I spent a full 5 minutes on the naughty step.

[Med Pie]

Not been watching the news over the past few days then? The bit about the EDL is speculation I?d admit, but the rest is in the news and on twitter.

As the EDL has not existed for about ten years, I find that it's most often the mind****ed people of the left who continue to refer to it and blame it for all sorts of things. Musk is clearly of the opinion that Robinson is a political prisoner and all but those, blinded by partizan politics can see that he actually is just that.

In terms of Musk finding an alternative for his donation of $100 million, I wouldn't be surprised to see the formation of a new party who might put TR up for a parliamentary seat, I've seen it suggested. All this in fighting does nothing to help the right, fragmenting the vote is not the way to unseat Labour and replace them with people who really have the country and it's people at heart. A party who will brush aside the much misused and misapplied Human Rights Act which allows jailed *****philes and other foreign criminals to be released back in to UK society and not be deported. This party would ideally, free up 15,000 gaol cells by deporting the foreigners who currently occupy them and make space for the real, violent criminals who are being released in order to accommodate those who've transgressed online.

Yes, the Tories did fail to deport enough people but you have to admit there were innumerable, obstacles both legal and physical, placed in their way when they tried. This new party would also instruct pilots to take off with their plane load of deportees, even if there are half a dozen, middle aged women, handcuffed to the front wheel.

The radical left, has to be removed from the influential positions they hold, which allow them to distort society in the way they have. This new party would ideally, ban rainbow corner flags, bootlaces, armbands and the like. The original aim, to eradicate and criminalise, discrimination on the grounds of ***uality, has morphed somehow in to a promotional vehicle for minority ***ualities. I don't support homophobic chants or songs and I certainly would not care what people do in the privacy of their own homes when choosing who I'm friends with but neither do I want to see men in arseless chaps or clad in some other, obscene, fetish gear, prancing through the streets of Hockley in some misguided, celebration of homo***uality. The parade I blindly, stumbled in to the the middle of last year, was an obscenity, on full view to children. There needs to be more oversight, a conversation has to be had with the organisers as to what is decent and acceptable in the middle of our City, during the day and what is not.

Someone very close to me actually came out to me years ago and confessed that he had a crush on my then, best pal when we were at school, we had a giggle and moved on, I haven't deleted his contact details and our friendship remains intact. Going back a few years and a girl I'd been to school with was a lesbian and we were pretty close to the point where she asked if I'd consider being a surrogate father to a baby, sadly, she and her partner are unable to have children so, like that plane full of Jamaican gangsters, that never got off the ground.

I provide this bit of background to head off the oh so predictable accusations that I'm homophobic, I certainly am not but neither do I need to see rainbow this and rainbow that, everywhere I look and most of my gay friends actually agree with me.

Anyway, sorry about that, it got away from me a bit there, I only intended a line about the EDL and where Musk's money might eventually go.

[Med Pie]

"The award winning reporter, Andrew Norfolk, who broke the grooming scandal says that far from covering up the problem, Starmer made the prosecutions possible"

Political point-scoring is gross, and it only happened because Elon is various shades of lunatic and decided to tweet about something he briefly read and knew nothing about.

... Although that's the general concensus with outrage innit? Let's have a bare bones understanding but knuckledrag and be mad.

He needs to stay out of politics, never mind fund German and UK far right groups.

https://x.com/gideonrachman/status/1...9aht9Ln1JSLdNg

Who are the 'far right groups' you refer to?

Meanwhile,

In August 2017 The Times published an article by Norfolk headlined "Christian child forced into Muslim foster care" about a foster placement in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets.[9] The borough council complained to the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO), which ruled that the story was riddled with inaccuracies. IPSO required The Times to run the ruling in the front page of its print edition and in its online edition.[10][11][12] Norfolk has since said that with hindsight, he would not write the story again.[13]

[KCNotts]

against my better judgement... anyone can prove anything online I guess, so I won't bother but it doesn't feel nice to have people challenge my honesty, so... I've actually lived and worked in more countries than that, but 3 long term (4 incl UK), and really don't care what you believe as your compass is waaaaay doolally. To be fair though you're partly right as one of the countries I wasn't a full legal immigrant, just on work visas but for nearly a decade, the others I had to do the full paperwork.

Think you'll find you're not as special as you seem to think you are. Off the top of my head, Driller, NW6, ThaiPie, and Slack, and many others have referred to spending extended time living and working in other countries.



except I've NEVER said that, so....



bruh! Guess you don't need an educashun in NZ to be on a PTA board.

I also lived abroad for 7 years Mud, and it was initially a wonderful experience. But when i look back I cringe at my behaviour. For the first few years I just hung around with other expats frequenting expat hotspots around town. I was unaware of my white privilege which got me the job in the first place and i was very arrogant. Towards the end of my stay i was incredibly lonely.

Living in other countries absolutely broadens the mind and I'd recommend it to anyone who has the means for a year or two. But the main thing i took away from my experience was realising how thankful I am to be from Britain and how lucky I am to be able to live here. It really makes you appreciate what you have back home. All countries have their problems.

Everyone is different of course.

[slack_pie]

That's exactly what it's about, and my number one priority is just the same as yours - having close family close nearby. My three daughters are all within a 15 minute walk or drive, so I couldn't ask for more. My secondary pleasures are having the footy team I've supported for 53 years easily accessible, lots of racecourses within an easy drive, a test and county cricket ground close by, and lots of parks and country walks in the area. Nowhere else in the world can offer me that.

For sure, there are all sorts of reasons why England is a great place to live. A lot of them tend to be subjective though, like having family here or a footy club you love. Or simply feeling like you belong - that's a big one.

Personally, I'd love to live somewhere where the weather is nicer as that has a tangible impact on my overall wellbeing, probably more so than any other factor outside of my family. I'd also like to live in a country that isn't in decline, where cities are safer, where the health service works, and so on.

Having lived abroad in a relatively small country with a much smaller GDP per capita, I can safely say that a lot of things worked better there.

And on the subject of living broad - it isn't for everyone, but it's certainly one of the best ways to understand your own country better. Not just how things work (or don't), but all those little nuances of the culture.

[keldsyke]

Don't make the common error though of confusing people who are anti-immigration and people who are anti-illegal immigration.

I'm not sure who they are - from my experience on NCM, the majority are either pro-open immigration or pro-controlled immigration.


However, you are close to a weird thing I noticed, since moving abroad.

You tend to find that people who have emigrated to another country legally, are the most ardent supporters of enforcing that country's immigration system. It may be because they have experienced the damage that an unregulated immigration system can do.

Spot on, after living and working in the EU I have experienced the abuse of going to another country and being called out for taking a potential natural residents job and asked numerous times why I am not back in my own country by the locals. If you have only have lived in the same country and not experienced life from the other side then you have not seen it from all angles. The point about pro-open immigration and pro-controlled immigration is spot on too, we need immigration but it needs to be controlled, most arriving on boats are not fleeing tyranny they see the bright lights and that is what attracts them, as someone who has gone into another culture you understand from the feelings you experience that you have to fit in mainly to the culture that you have arrived in, you will always be who and what you are but you have to make the effort so you can see why when an immigrant commits crime etc that the local residents get angry and questions why they are there.

The friends and colleagues I made while living and working abroad and still have contact with and see are some of the best people I have ever met in my life, but I had to make the effort to gain their trust at first. The fact is in summary, when you have been part of the whole being / living / working in a different country you see things differently but things have to be in a controlled and managed situation .

I heard a really good example recently if a stranger comes down your garden path you expect them to knock on your door and wait until someone answers, you do not expect a stranger to walk down your garden path and let themselves in and make themselves at home. Its funny that when you come back to your place of birth and you see what is going off after being in a similar position you do not accept it as you know the lack of respect being shown by people coming here is not what you have given when the situation was reversed.

[Lullapie]

against my better judgement... anyone can prove anything online I guess, so I won't bother but it doesn't feel nice to have people challenge my honesty, so... I've actually lived and worked in more countries than that, but 3 long term (4 incl UK), and really don't care what you believe as your compass is waaaaay doolally. To be fair though you're partly right as one of the countries I wasn't a full legal immigrant, just on work visas but for nearly a decade, the others I had to do the full paperwork.

Think you'll find you're not as special as you seem to think you are. Off the top of my head, Driller, NW6, ThaiPie, and Slack, and many others have referred to spending extended time living and working in other countries.



except I've NEVER said that, so....



bruh! Guess you don't need an educashun in NZ to be on a PTA board.

I wrote:
There's no bigger example of bigotry than you lumping all people from a political party together as being bad. A perfect example, without you being clever enough to notice it - LOL

You wrote:
except I've NEVER said that, so....

So now you are denying saying that the National Socialist Party in Germany in the 1900s was a political party or are saying that everyone in it were equivalent to Pedophiles or Serial Killers?

The former part shows you suffer from memory loss or tell lies. The latter indicates, through your example of a bigot, that you're a bigot.

Which are you?