O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[BigFatPie]

Sometimes BFP I despair of people, a bereaved and traumatised woman makes a stupid tweet and realises how stupid it is and deletes it but gets a totally inappropriate 31 month sentence. Do you really believe she is dangerous and was really inciting mass murder?

She incited people to set fire to hotels on July 29th and that?s exactly what they did on August 4th. Of course she was dangerous, demonstrably so. Her bereavement was taken into account when sentencing was passed as mentioned in this very good explanation of her case here;

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/ideas/law/the-weekly-constitutional/69986/understanding-the-sentence-of-lucy-connolly

She pleaded guilty to an offence that carries a maximum sentence of 7 years. Previous racist messages on her WhatsApp were also taken into account as was her failure to post any messages of sympathy for the Southport victims.

I do wonder whether you and others would be so concerned about this sentence if the person involved was a Muslim and they were inciting rioters to set fire to a hotel full of white people. Throw away the key might be the more common sentiment.

[forwardmagpie]

She incited people to set fire to hotels on July 29th and that?s exactly what they did on August 4th. Of course she was dangerous, demonstrably so. Her bereavement was taken into account when sentencing was passed as mentioned in this very good explanation of her case here;

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/ideas/law/the-weekly-constitutional/69986/understanding-the-sentence-of-lucy-connolly

She pleaded guilty to an offence that carries a maximum sentence of 7 years. Previous racist messages on her WhatsApp were also taken into account as was her failure to post any messages of sympathy for the Southport victims.

I do wonder whether you and others would be so concerned about this sentence if the person involved was a Muslim and they were inciting rioters to set fire to a hotel full of white people. Throw away the key might be the more common sentiment.

Well done for throwing in the race card.

[Med Pie]

Well done for throwing in the race card.

For the second time, I'll bet he has the new Snow White film on loop.

[Elite_Pie]

Well done for throwing in the race card.

Hadn't Lucy Connolly already done that?

[forwardmagpie]

Thanks for answering for BFP again although this time you were a little slow.

BFP appears to be saying that if you think Lucy Connollys stance is too harsh you are a racist.

This is usually a lazy virtue signalling attempt to silence people that normally fails.

[forwardmagpie]

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/i...-lucy-connolly

Not much anyone can disagree with here.

GBeebies appears to have addled the minds of what potentially could be reasonable individuals and turned them into boring angry reactionaries.

The zone truly has been flooded with climate-denying race-bait 5h!te. Just as Bannon desired.

Thank you for showing what I mean Mapperleypie in your quote below.

The zone truly has been flooded with climate-denying race-bait 5h!te. Just as Bannon desired. GBeebies appears to have addled the minds of what potentially could be reasonable individuals and turned them into boring angry reactionaries.

[BigFatPie]

Well done for throwing in the race card.

The whole case is literally centred around race. She said it herself, in the tweet that helped to convict her. These arent difficult concepts to grasp.

[forwardmagpie]

The whole case is literally centred around race. She said it herself, in the tweet that helped to convict her. These arent difficult concepts to grasp.

Thanks explaining the concept BFP it is much appreciated although we know that already., it was racist and a very stupid post.

However where you threw the race card in was not about Lucy Connolly but against people who think her sentence was too severe.

[Med Pie]

It seems the French navy can detain British fishing boats but not boat loads of migrants, the 'Hundred years war' has never really ended.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn05268j86zo

[SwalePie]

It seems the French navy can detain British fishing boats but not boat loads of migrants, the 'Hundred years war' has never really ended.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn05268j86zo

Unless the rules have changed, the Royal Navy has similar powers to defend our fisheries, which I think is a good thing generally. In the UK, 'boat loads of migrants' would come under the scrutiny of Border Force, rather than the senior service.

[Med Pie]

Unless the rules have changed, the Royal Navy has similar powers to defend our fisheries, which I think is a good thing generally. In the UK, 'boat loads of migrants' would come under the scrutiny of Border Force, rather than the senior service.

We're not talking about the British navy, rather, that of a country whose own navy, rather than escorting boat people back to France, is happy to help them in to UK waters then, call Borderfoce to pick them up. The French have even been handing out life jackets and have recently had the temerity, to ask the UK to give them back!

[Elite_Pie]

Thanks explaining the concept BFP it is much appreciated although we know that already., it was racist and a very stupid post.

Is that really all it was?

Connolly's offence was "category A" - meaning "high culpability" - and that both the prosecution and her own barrister agreed she "intended to incite serious violence".

At her appeal, Connolly claimed that while she accepted she intended to stir up racial hatred, she always denied trying to incite violence.

But Lord Justice Holroyde said in a judgement this week, external evidence "clearly shows that she was well aware of what she was admitting".

Sentencing guidelines for the offence indicate a starting point of three years' custody.

So what would you see as a reasonable sentence?

[i961pie]

We're not talking about the British navy, rather, that of a country whose own navy, rather than escorting boat people back to France, is happy to help them in to UK waters then, call Borderfoce to pick them up. The French have even been handing out life jackets and have recently had the temerity, to ask the UK to give them back!

I hear Borderforce are changing their name to Uber?

[SwalePie]

We're not talking about the British navy, rather, that of a country whose own navy, rather than escorting boat people back to France, is happy to help them in to UK waters then, call Borderfoce to pick them up. The French have even been handing out life jackets and have recently had the temerity, to ask the UK to give them back!

I see. I was just trying to point out that the reason the Royal Navy doesn't get involved is that it isn't in their remit to deal with immigration. It seems many people think it is, for some reason. I didn't realise the French navy had it in theirs.

[forwardmagpie]

Is that really all it was?

Connolly's offence was "category A" - meaning "high culpability" - and that both the prosecution and her own barrister agreed she "intended to incite serious violence".

At her appeal, Connolly claimed that while she accepted she intended to stir up racial hatred, she always denied trying to incite violence.

But Lord Justice Holroyde said in a judgement this week, external evidence "clearly shows that she was well aware of what she was admitting".

Sentencing guidelines for the offence indicate a starting point of three years' custody.

So what would you see as a reasonable sentence?

A short sentence followed by lengthy community service.