O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[BanjoPie]

I reckon it was recorded anyway.

National lockdown? That's a joke! Few differences to tier 4 apart from schools.

Under tier 4 you could only meet up with 1 other person for exercise, yet saw plenty of groups with several couples together who had obviously met up.

How embarrassing to be behind Starmer virtually every step of the way.

How is people breaking the rules the fault of the Government?

[crazyfists]

During the first lockdown when the weather was good, I'd take the dog over the park and would hardly see a soul. In the last couple of months, despite the various restrictions and the weather being sh1te, there have been large groups of people everywhere.

I'm with Navy on this one, when I took the dog out when it all started there wasn't a soul about. Now it's packed all over and has been since Cummings did his 60 mile round trip to the castle. Also as others have said the message changes from the morning to the evening so people just think they don't know what they're doing so I'll just do what I want. Also I'm sorry but people do have to take some of the blame themselves, sick of this no personal responsibility people seem to have now days, some things are your own fault, you can't blame everyone else for you ****ing up and being selfish.

[crazyfists]

I mean if I get covid I'm dead I'm down to 12% kidney function but I've kept safe and so not to give me it have my family /in laws and we're all alright. Alot of people don't care if they get it cause to most it might be no worse than flu so they're doing what they want as tired of stopping in. That's not anyone's fault expect their own. I'm glad we don't have another world war cause we can't even stop in and watch Netflix for 10 months nevermind do anything more for the greater good.

[Old_pie]

How embarrassing to be behind Starmer virtually every step of the way.

It's not being behind Starmer. Starmer is just keeping up with what any sensible person on the street or on here is. Nothing magical or statesmanlike about that.

[jackal2]

I'm with Navy on this one, when I took the dog out when it all started there wasn't a soul about. Now it's packed all over and has been since Cummings did his 60 mile round trip to the castle. Also as others have said the message changes from the morning to the evening so people just think they don't know what they're doing so I'll just do what I want. Also I'm sorry but people do have to take some of the blame themselves, sick of this no personal responsibility people seem to have now days, some things are your own fault, you can't blame everyone else for you ****ing up and being selfish.

Agreed.

As much as people might cite the likes of Dominic Cummings or Margaret Ferrier or Premier League footballers or any other 'celebrity' who has been caught allegedly breaking the lockdown rules (by journalists like Kay Burley!) I don't buy the excuse that this "causes" other folk to do the same. It takes me back to that old parental adage that just because your mate stuck his hand in the fire doesn't mean you have to do the same thing. Take responsibility for your own actions.

That said, I think there's an element of human nature at play, whereby people's concentration and alertness can only stay at a high level for so long before reverting to a mean somewhere between what's required by the restrictions and what's considered to be normal day-to-day activity. Yes there are some selfish individuals who knowingly ignore the restrictions and seemingly don't think the rules apply to them. However, I think the majority of people do try to do the right thing, but subconsciously let their guard down from time to time.

I agree that people aren't anywhere near as intense in their rigid adherence to social distancing as they were when this was all a novelty last Spring, but I've actually been quite surprised how tolerant and persistent most people have been in continuing to follow rules which are so alien to our culture and way of life. Of course, there are legal incentives in place to try and enforce this, but the Police can't go around fining or arresting everyone and nor would they want to. Ultimately, controls like this have to be applied by consensus.

[Ayeayeskipper]

I mean if I get covid I'm dead I'm down to 12% kidney function but I've kept safe and so not to give me it have my family /in laws and we're all alright. Alot of people don't care if they get it cause to most it might be no worse than flu so they're doing what they want as tired of stopping in. That's not anyone's fault expect their own. I'm glad we don't have another world war cause we can't even stop in and watch Netflix for 10 months nevermind do anything more for the greater good.

I feel for you mate, I really do. I know a bloke, the same age as me who's just come out of a coma and is hopefully on the road to recovery. Just like me, he had no underlying health issues yet when I got covid, it hardly touched the sides....it's so indiscriminate. I can only imagine how terryfying it must be for the elderly and people like your good self. Stay safe fella.

[crazyfists]

Thanks mate, like you say it's difficult as for alot of people it won't be bad if they got it so I can see why some have got tired of the restrictions. Some of my friends won't get the vaccine either which is obviously their choice but does make it difficult until I can get vaccinated which shouldn't be too long hopefully after what he said last night. I'm just tired of people moaning about the lock down, it is what it is, people just need to get on with it and keep their chin up. I hope you and your family keep well though.

[TheBlackHorse]

... here's one for you lovely Remoaners ...

GERMAN Chancellor Angela Merkel faces a mounting backlash over her decision to block a bid by European health ministers to secure large orders of the coronavirus vaccine last year.
By EMILY FERGUSON
PUBLISHED: 08:56,Tue, Jan 5, 2021
Oxford-AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine begins rollout in the UK
A leaked letter has shown Mrs Merkel personally intervened in the vaccine debate, by stopping German, French, Italian and Dutch health ministers from ordering more stocks of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine last summer. The EU now faces a shortage in the supply of COVID-19 vaccines, with European leaders under pressure to speed up the mass vaccination programme.
German newspaper Bild published a leaked letter from the four European health ministers to Ursula von der Leyen where they agreed to hand over control of vaccine orders to the European Commission.
In doing so, they stopped attempting to order more stocks of vaccine, despite having already secured 400million doses of Oxford University’ Astra-Zeneca vaccine.
The four ministers had tried to get enough vaccine doses for all Europeans.
The newspaper claims the letter was written under pressure from Mrs Merkel, who wanted to send a signal of solidarity at the start of Germany’s six-month EU presidency, which started in July 2020.
... nothing like a spot of unity, is there ...

[magpie_mania]

How is people breaking the rules the fault of the Government?

Where did I say that?

I meant that how is it a national lockdown? Telling us we have to stay at home, but keep garden centres open, takeaways till 11 at night etc. Looks to me like a way to say 'U-turn on schools' in a more acceptable way.

[magpie_mania]

It's not being behind Starmer. Starmer is just keeping up with what any sensible person on the street or on here is. Nothing magical or statesmanlike about that.

I never said it was, but he is behind Starmer (and everyone else).

At the time though of national crisis, we need strong leadership with a PM in control. Has he learned nothing from the last 9 months?

[BanjoPie]

Where did I say that?

I meant that how is it a national lockdown? Telling us we have to stay at home, but keep garden centres open, takeaways till 11 at night etc. Looks to me like a way to say 'U-turn on schools' in a more acceptable way.

Perhaps I misunderstood you, apologies.

[BigFatPie]

I never said it was, but he is behind Starmer (and everyone else).

At the time though of national crisis, we need strong leadership with a PM in control. Has he learned nothing from the last 9 months?

Boris Johnson learned nothing in the previous 55 years except how to act in the best interests of Boris Johnson, expecting him to start picking things up in 9 months is asking a lot.

People should obviously stick to the rules and be responsible but it would massively help if we had a credible government, not one that said schools were safe on a Sunday and then shut them for 2 months on a Monday.

[BigFatPie]

... here's one for you lovely Remoaners ...

GERMAN Chancellor Angela Merkel faces a mounting backlash over her decision to block a bid by European health ministers to secure large orders of the coronavirus vaccine last year.
By EMILY FERGUSON
PUBLISHED: 08:56,Tue, Jan 5, 2021
Oxford-AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine begins rollout in the UK
A leaked letter has shown Mrs Merkel personally intervened in the vaccine debate, by stopping German, French, Italian and Dutch health ministers from ordering more stocks of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine last summer. The EU now faces a shortage in the supply of COVID-19 vaccines, with European leaders under pressure to speed up the mass vaccination programme.
German newspaper Bild published a leaked letter from the four European health ministers to Ursula von der Leyen where they agreed to hand over control of vaccine orders to the European Commission.
In doing so, they stopped attempting to order more stocks of vaccine, despite having already secured 400million doses of Oxford University’ Astra-Zeneca vaccine.
The four ministers had tried to get enough vaccine doses for all Europeans.
The newspaper claims the letter was written under pressure from Mrs Merkel, who wanted to send a signal of solidarity at the start of Germany’s six-month EU presidency, which started in July 2020.
... nothing like a spot of unity, is there ...

You don’t cite your source, but without checking I’ll guess, the Express?

[BanjoPie]

I never said it was, but he is behind Starmer (and everyone else).

At the time though of national crisis, we need strong leadership with a PM in control. Has he learned nothing from the last 9 months?

Sadly, having now seen how Starmer operates, I am of the opinion that he is also not a leader. Bring back David!!!

[Ayeayeskipper]

Seems it's not only the Brexit deal she's failed to read.