O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[BigFatPie]

There's so much noise, censorship, compromised people calling the shots, conspiracy theories and propaganda out there it's impossible to make any real sense of what's really going on, what should be done and what should have been done. It's probably a story that will have to be told by future generations, rather than those who actually lived through it, if anybody in the 2100s should care to establish the true facts.
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Yep it’s important we have critical thinking skills, get our info from dependable sources, and try our best not to spread misinformation…

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL2N2ND0WS

[macstop]

There's so much noise, censorship, compromised people calling the shots, conspiracy theories and propaganda out there it's impossible to make any real sense of what's really going on, what should be done and what should have been done. It's probably a story that will have to be told by future generations, rather than those who actually lived through it, if anybody in the 2100s should care to establish the true facts.

The man who was employed by the WHO to oversee management of the Ebola outbreak has been warning that vaccinations must be stopped as they will inevitably result in mutations created in the vaccinated that could be more dangerous to younger people as well as being more easily transmissible and, ultimately, vaccine resistant. The scientist who discovered AIDS agrees with this hypothesis. Nobody is claiming that these vaccines stop you getting the virus, or passing it on, only that it lessens the symptoms...... for now.

Other leading scientists however are claiming that mutations are less than 0.5%, in which case you're probably going to be immune for decades if you've had it and - if the vaccines work - you shouldn't need a vaccine top up.

"Long Covid" and potential long term harm from experimental vaccines might be another spanner in the works. The man who invented the technology used in some of these vaccines has been censored by youtube and linkedin for expressing his concerns over where these spike proteins (generated by the vaccine) are ending up in the body, he has also claimed that the regulators have been captured. So this could be another ticking time bomb.

Have you heard of Ivermectin, a drug being used by some third world countries to cure covid, very successfully as well, it's had tons of trials from all over the world, costs pennies to produce as well, but of cause big science has shot it down, the world we live in is a very strange place at the moment.

[TheBlackHorse]

... just goes to show ... the scientists know sweet f a; the politicians know sweet f a; the public know sweet f a. If you vote it only encourages them. Don't vote! We live in a so-called 'free' society. If you don't like it go live elsewhere ... there are a few options ...

[upthemaggies]

Have you heard of Ivermectin, a drug being used by some third world countries to cure covid, very successfully as well, it's had tons of trials from all over the world, costs pennies to produce as well, but of cause big science has shot it down, the world we live in is a very strange place at the moment.

The patent on it has run out, which means anybody make it, so no huge profits can be made out of it.
Also, the licence for emergency use of the vaccines was (and is?) dependent on there being no effective treatment.

[BigFatPie]

Have you heard of Ivermectin, a drug being used by some third world countries to cure covid, very successfully as well, it's had tons of trials from all over the world, costs pennies to produce as well, but of cause big science has shot it down, the world we live in is a very strange place at the moment.

A quick google search tells us ‘big science’(whatever that is) is indeed conducting trials into the efficacy of this drug. Who has supposed to have ‘shot it down’?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00239-X/fulltext

[upthemaggies]

A quick google search tells us ‘big science’(whatever that is) is indeed conducting trials into the efficacy of this drug. Who has supposed to have ‘shot it down’?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/e...239-X/fulltext

Trials can be set up to fail and apparently have been. It has to be administered at the right stage of infection in order to work, for example. Oxford are doing a trial right now and this was reported by the BBC but there are fears this is being done to destroy the drugs' reputation as a cure for Covid once and for all to shut people up from going on about it. Youtube were taking down any video in which anybody said anything positive about it.

[SwalePie]

There's a very interesting article from April on the BMJ site which is worth a read if you're interested in the Ivermectin debate...

"Covid-19: Ivermectin’s politicisation is a warning sign for doctors"

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n747

[SwalePie]

Trials can be set up to fail and apparently have been. It has to be administered at the right stage of infection in order to work, for example. Oxford are doing a trial right now and this was reported by the BBC but there are fears this is being done to destroy the drugs' reputation as a cure for Covid once and for all to shut people up from going on about it. Youtube were taking down any video in which anybody said anything positive about it.

'apparently have been' and 'there are fears' don't fill me with much confidence in the veracity of this info UTM. Also YouTube, I would imagine, have a responsibility to remove fake news regarding the pandemic so unless the information is solid and reliable and from trusted sources they are probably doing the right thing IMHO.

Anyhow, I'm off for more Bovril, which apparently cures everything, although there are fears it might be hard to find in certain football grounds at half time.

[upthemaggies]

'apparently have been' and 'there are fears' don't fill me with much confidence in the veracity of this info UTM.
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That comes from the president of the FLCCC Alliance (Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care) who testified in front of the senate. Youtube took that video down also.

[SwalePie]

That comes from the president of the FLCCC Alliance (Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care) who testified in front of the senate. Youtube took that video down also.

He said the 'apparently' and 'there are fears' you mean?

[upthemaggies]

He said the 'apparently' and 'there are fears' you mean?

I'm not a doctor in the hospital in which he works, nor an expert, nor a scientist, so I take what he says in good faith, hence my use of "apparently". He also expressed concern, on behalf of his members/colleagues that trials are being set up to fail. I couldn't quote him directly as this was an interview I listened to with him, not read, and the interview has, alas, been taken down by youtube.

[SwalePie]

I'm not a doctor in the hospital in which he works, nor an expert, nor a scientist, so I take what he says in good faith, hence my use of "apparently". He also expressed concern, on behalf of his members/colleagues that trials are being set up to fail. I couldn't quote him directly as this was an interview I listened to with him, not read, and the interview has, alas, been taken down by youtube.

I was only meaning did he say those bits or you. I understand now

Interesting Vice article here on the impending Ivermectin info'war'...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3d5gv/ivermectin-covid-treatment-advocates-rogan-weinstein-hecker

[BigFatPie]

I was only meaning did he say those bits or you. I understand now

Interesting Vice article here on the impending Ivermectin info'war'...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3d5gv/ivermectin-covid-treatment-advocates-rogan-weinstein-hecker

Some of those names are very familiar.

Doughty battlers of Big Pharma or Bullsh!t Merchants not just on this but on a wide variety of subjects.

You Decide.

[upthemaggies]

I was only meaning did he say those bits or you. I understand now

Interesting Vice article here on the impending Ivermectin info'war'...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3d5gv/ivermectin-covid-treatment-advocates-rogan-weinstein-hecker

There's very little investigative journalism nowadays. We do have the internet but it's not easy finding voices with genuine credentials amongst the looneys, particularly when the people with the expertise end up being forced (after being banned from mainstream media) onto platforms that tend to be associated with the nutters.

One American journalist did approach youtube recently (last week or so) and asked them about their censoring of actual doctors and scientists and he said that they admitted to being lent on by government officials.

[drillerpie]

Some of those names are very familiar.

Doughty battlers of Big Pharma or Bullsh!t Merchants not just on this but on a wide variety of subjects.

You Decide.

Which names do you have in mind there BFP?