O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Old_pie]

Great news no more nappies, and no to passport mandates, now let's hope the thousand's of NHS staff that had no jabs get to keep there jobs.

It seems that we are able to live with a peak daily figure of 2000 hospitalisations 250 deaths.

Only 3.5 million people (~ 6 in every hundred) tested positive last week. So good news if you're not that worried about catching it.

I bet the family of https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60050996 are encouraged and for those that can't be bothered: "A folk singer from the Czech Republic has died after deliberately catching Covid, her son has told the BBC. "

If I catch Covid from one of the thousands who refuse jabs I'll sue the NHS in the same way that I would if I contracted Hepatitis or some other preventable transmissible disease whilst in their care. Fortunately I do not have to take many of the NHS workers' example in maintaining a healthy diet.

[Mapperleypie]

Great news no more nappies

Why have you been wearing a nappy all this time? Did someone tell you to on youtube whilst you were doing your own research?

[macstop]

Why have you been wearing a nappy all this time? Did someone tell you to on youtube whilst you were doing your own research?

No never worn one, only for hospital and doctors surgery, but if that's what gets you off carry on by all means.

[magpie_mania]

Operation Save Big Dog in full swing.

Masks not mandatory but we suggest you wear them in crowded places and when with people you don't know.

This PM knows no bounds.

[maddogslater]

I like the JR podcast while at work, has some very interesting and diverse guests, recently Oliver Stone, Dr Robert Malone and today I listened to the one with Josh Szeps talking Australia's mental lockdowns and restrictions in some states.

[macstop]

Fake news! - Check your facts and look at the ONS website before spreading such sh1t!!!

There you go fellow, straight from the ONS site


COVID-19 alone with no underlining health issues November 2019 to December 2021

You asked
Please supply how many people have died from COVID-19 alone with no underlining health issues, from November 2019 to December 2021

2020: 9400 (0-64: 1549 / 65 and over: 7851)

2021 Q1: 6483 (0-64: 1560/ 65 and over: 4923)

2021 Q2: 346 (0-64: 153/ 65 and over: 193)

2021 Q3: 1142 (0-64: 512/ 65 and over: 630)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19alonewithnounderlininghealthissuesnovemeber2019todecember2021

[Old_pie]

There you go fellow, straight from the ONS site


COVID-19 alone with no underlining health issues November 2019 to December 2021

You asked
Please supply how many people have died from COVID-19 alone with no underlining health issues, from November 2019 to December 2021

2020: 9400 (0-64: 1549 / 65 and over: 7851)

2021 Q1: 6483 (0-64: 1560/ 65 and over: 4923)

2021 Q2: 346 (0-64: 153/ 65 and over: 193)

2021 Q3: 1142 (0-64: 512/ 65 and over: 630)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/trans...todecember2021

It is estimated that a quarter to a fifth of the world population has some underlying health issue.

On 5 March 2019, 24.4% of the UK population were at risk due to a record of at least one underlying health condition, including 8.3% of school-aged children, 19.6% of working-aged adults, and 66.2% of individuals aged 70 years or more

I'm not sure what your figures are attempting to show other than what we already knew, fit young people are more than likely to be unaffected, older people are more likely to be affected, and anyone with an underlying health issue which may well be under control will succumb, become seriously ill.

We're still waiting for solid figures for long covid. A fit person I know (yes he's over 60) got covid before jabs were rolled out. I played golf with him a couple of weeks ago and he apologised for being a bit slow. You see, he'd been in a coma for nearly a week, his lungs were damaged by the covid and hadn't yet, 18 months later, fully recovered.

This is a nasty disease that kills and maims. You seem to want to make light of it. Perhaps a visit around a hospital will ground you.

[magpie_mania]

There you go fellow, straight from the ONS site


COVID-19 alone with no underlining health issues November 2019 to December 2021

You asked
Please supply how many people have died from COVID-19 alone with no underlining health issues, from November 2019 to December 2021

2020: 9400 (0-64: 1549 / 65 and over: 7851)

2021 Q1: 6483 (0-64: 1560/ 65 and over: 4923)

2021 Q2: 346 (0-64: 153/ 65 and over: 193)

2021 Q3: 1142 (0-64: 512/ 65 and over: 630)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/trans...todecember2021

A better question would have been 'How many people have died with Covid as the primary cause?'

I have what would be described as an underlying health condition but with the correct medication it is almost certain that it will have no affect on my life expectancy. If I was to contract Covid and need to go into hospital and die then under your stats that wouldn't be a Covid death.

It is obvious that most people that have died have been over 80, and many (if not most) over 80s have at least one underlying health issue.

[Elite_Pie]

A better question would have been 'How many people have died with Covid as the primary cause?'

I have what would be described as an underlying health condition but with the correct medication it is almost certain that it will have no affect on my life expectancy. If I was to contract Covid and need to go into hospital and die then under your stats that wouldn't be a Covid death.

It is obvious that most people that have died have been over 80, and many (if not most) over 80s have at least one underlying health issue.

To a few young people, anyone aged over 60 with an underlying heath condition is simply seen as collateral damage.

Unless it's their parent or grandparent of course.

[cher1]

Oops sorry, posted too soon!

[cher1]

I'm not sure how useful it is knowing how many people have died from covid with no underlying health conditions. As MM says underlying health conditions are widespread in the population, particularly those who are elderly.

If you only count underlying conditions which increase the risk of serious illnesses/death from covid, 24.4% of the UK population have such an underlying condition and 66.2% of those aged 70+ have a condition which puts them at an increased risk. I'm not sure why these groups should be excluded from any stats.

Here's some data which actually counts people whose death was due to covid (and doesn't exclude large random chunks of the population to make figures look small):

Of all death occurrences between January and August 2020, there were 48,168 deaths due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with 13,619 deaths due to pneumonia and 394 deaths due to influenza.

[macstop]

Perhaps a visit around a hospital will ground you.

Hi there my friend, i spent most of the pandemic in hospital, 3 operations for cancer, and a short stay on a covid ward, and i had plenty of time walking around empty hospital beds.

now on the covid ward there were about 60 patients, i was the youngest 69 at the time, so i asked the staff where they had come from and all where from nursing homes, i was there because i had a seizure and nothing more, i also talked to young nurses who told me they were not getting jabbed.

Ok i am not trying to prove anyone wrong about anything, but you have to ask how many of the 150,000 deaths were from cancer, heart attacks, suicides, diabetes, falls in home, car accidents ect, but were unlucky to have tested positive.

Then we come on to the financial issues this has cost our country, some are estimating 145 billion pounds, plus people losing there lively hood through unnecessary lockdowns, and the mental torture to our children with lost schooling.

Finally why is it ok to treat covid, and leave people with other conditions to wait and some times die, being a cancer patient i have seen it, but then again some people are just plain selfish.

[Old_pie]

Hi there my friend, i spent most of the pandemic in hospital, 3 operations for cancer, and a short stay on a covid ward, and i had plenty of time walking around empty hospital beds.

now on the covid ward there were about 60 patients, i was the youngest 69 at the time, so i asked the staff where they had come from and all where from nursing homes, i was there because i had a seizure and nothing more, i also talked to young nurses who told me they were not getting jabbed.

Ok i am not trying to prove anyone wrong about anything, but you have to ask how many of the 150,000 deaths were from cancer, heart attacks, suicides, diabetes, falls in home, car accidents ect, but were unlucky to have tested positive.

Then we come on to the financial issues this has cost our country, some are estimating 145 billion pounds, plus people losing there lively hood through unnecessary lockdowns, and the mental torture to our children with lost schooling.

Finally why is it ok to treat covid, and leave people with other conditions to wait and some times die, being a cancer patient i have seen it, but then again some people are just plain selfish.

Sorry to hear about your ailments, though despite all you were being treated.

A point I forgot to make and perhaps the most important is what do you think the Covid figures would have looked like if no action had been taken? Maybe they are only ok in your eyes because of the lockdowns and social distancing until a good percentage had been vaccinated.

I have no idea how to prioritise patients, it must be a thankless task and the early decision to send elderly back to their care homes was bordering on criminal. The problem is that those covid patients that were taking priority were taking priority because their life was at imminent risk. It's a bit like seeing two people drowning in the river, one sort of keeping afloat and the other starting to go blue. Who do you save first? Or do you ask their age, health condition etc then make a decision? Lifeguards don't.

It worries me that one day I might be in the care of nurses who have such a poor understandings of epidemiology yet consider themselves fit to ignore the medical experts. But then it worries me when I see the amount if illiteracy and innumeracy among so many in general and that seems more infectious than Covid with access to Farcebook and Tw@tter.

[loiretchersteve]

Looking back almost 2 years and you were quite correct to say wait and see before any praise..
Who is impressed now???

[OchPie]

The most common preexisting condition - 25% of deaths - in 2020 was Dementia and Alzheimer's disease.

The UK tracks both those dying within 28 days of a positive test AND those who had Covid listed as a cause of death on the death certificate - the latter doesn't catch people run over by cars, and yet the total number is higher.