O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[BigFatPie]

The notion that the scum who inhabit the Kremlin and the White House are agreeing anything in good faith is laughable. Nearly as laughable as the contributions from their apologists and defenders on this board.

[TheBlackHorse]

... so right BFP. The notion that Russia does anything in good faith and that Trumpy sees anything but $$$$$$$$$ would be laughable if even half true...

[SmiffyPie]

The notion that the scum who inhabit the Kremlin and the White House are agreeing anything in good faith is laughable. Nearly as laughable as the contributions from their apologists and defenders on this board.

About right.

[Lullapie]

Ceasefire in the Black Sea now.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y2nvezdnwo

[BigFatPie]

*But shortly after Washington's announcement, the Kremlin said the Black Sea ceasefire would not take effect until sanctions were lifted from Russian banks, producers and exporters involved in the international food and fertiliser trades.*

The Black Sea is of course an area where Ukraine has had success with drone strikes on Russian shipping. What exactly is Russia giving up for the lifting of those sanctions?

Trumps top men no doubt let Putin know of their negotiating position on a social media chat group.

[Elite_Pie]

Trump boldly said he would "stop the war in 24 hours" if he was elected.

Instead he's looking weaker by the day, Putin has him hanging by his bollox.

[Jampie]

*But shortly after Washington's announcement, the Kremlin said the Black Sea ceasefire would not take effect until sanctions were lifted from Russian banks, producers and exporters involved in the international food and fertiliser trades.*

The Black Sea is of course an area where Ukraine has had success with drone strikes on Russian shipping. What exactly is Russia giving up for the lifting of those sanctions?

Trumps top men no doubt let Putin know of their negotiating position on a social media chat group.

Basically this.

How can you have a ceasefire between two belligerents in one sector but not others. And if you do, ask who benefits? In this case Russia (shocking, I know). The black sea has been a disaster zone for them throughout the war. This whole thing still looks like a farce to me, one that benefits Putin and nobody else.

[andy6025]

*But shortly after Washington's announcement, the Kremlin said the Black Sea ceasefire would not take effect until sanctions were lifted from Russian banks, producers and exporters involved in the international food and fertiliser trades.*

Were you hoping the west would renege on their end of the deal and once Ukrainian shipping resumes they would all declare, ha ha Russia the joke is on you?

[i961pie]

Trump boldly said he would "stop the war in 24 hours" if he was elected.

Instead he's looking weaker by the day, Putin has him hanging by his bollox.

Agree and he's also makes himself look a tw@t with his sanctions? He's says one day it's 25% sanctions
then the next day he will freeze them for a month and then some one upsets him and it's 50%. God help America and the world. They are becoming the most hated country on the planet. Mind you Russia loves him so that's ok.

[andy6025]

Basically this.

How can you have a ceasefire between two belligerents in one sector but not others. And if you do, ask who benefits? In this case Russia (shocking, I know). The black sea has been a disaster zone for them throughout the war. This whole thing still looks like a farce to me, one that benefits Putin and nobody else.

Does the world, including the global south, not benefit from increased food and fertilizer exports from Russia and Ukraine?

[Jampie]

Does the world, including the global south, not benefit from increased food and fertilizer exports from Russia and Ukraine?

Speaking solely about the two sides of the war, a ceasefire in the black sea benefits putin a lot more than it benefits Ukraine. Putin using global food supplies for his own gain is very much in character and he's done it throughout the war.

If he was serious about peace, an agreement across all fronts would be reachable. I mean ultimately Russia could've had peace at any time since Feb 2022 - just pack up and go the hell home.

[Old_pie]

If Putin can get away with a land grab then what's to stop Trump doing the same? (lookout Canada, Greenland, Panama, Gaza).

Hopefully the American people, but who knows?

Starting to fear the new United States of Russia. NATO is sounding a lame duck. Ukraine is doomed. So much for the support given to the Korean, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq #1 & #2, and we even provide air refuelling support for their Houthi attacks.

The American people are gullible and they don't believe in John Wayne and Roy Rogers anymore. Wonder what James Stewart, Audie Murphy and others would make of the USA of the decade.

Just read a 2018 BBC report on Trumpism - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42738881

[drillerpie]

Agree and he's also makes himself look a tw@t with his sanctions? He's says one day it's 25% sanctions
then the next day he will freeze them for a month and then some one upsets him and it's 50%. God help America and the world. They are becoming the most hated country on the planet. Mind you Russia loves him so that's ok.

I think Russia is now the model, not the adversary.

Didn't he say on April 2nd each country will 'get a number' of what the tariffs will be? Big reveal = big ratings, reality TV style. Unserious people.

Turning the White House into a Tesla showroom and having the commerce secretary pump Tesla stock was something else but funny compared to the other stuff, but there's probably nobody left in the regulatory bodies to do anything about it. If they are still there they have seen what happens if you don't obey the orange overlord. Deregulation is a beautiful thing and definitely works in favour of the small guy!

The war group chat is also funny but less funny because records of these conversations are supposed to be kept for two years, not on a self deleting app. Also sending group chats when one of the participants is physically in the Kremlin is probably not a good idea. Strikes on the Houthis for the foreseeable future is probably somehow different from when Biden did it (Democrats never seen a war they didn't like!) but I'm not sure how.

Sending Venezuelan immigrants to a Guantanemo style prison in El Salvador without a trial based on the fact 'they had tattoos' is worrying, but I'm sure that's different too (thanks Obama!). Ignoring judges who ruled against it and asking for them to be impeached - well you don't have to read too many history books to see that's how bad things start.

[drillerpie]

*But shortly after Washington's announcement, the Kremlin said the Black Sea ceasefire would not take effect until sanctions were lifted from Russian banks, producers and exporters involved in the international food and fertiliser trades.*

The Black Sea is of course an area where Ukraine has had success with drone strikes on Russian shipping. What exactly is Russia giving up for the lifting of those sanctions?

Trumps top men no doubt let Putin know of their negotiating position on a social media chat group.

These ceasefire agreements are useful for seeing what is causing problems for the Russians if nothing else. We already knew thing weren't going well for them in the Black Sea, now we also know they are bothered by their exploding petrol refineries.

On social media you can see Russian military bloggers pissing themselves laughing at how gullible this US administration is. On Russian state TV they are still talking about the 'Russian World' (their way of saying Russian empire) not having any borders, meaning the borders are wherever they decide they should be, and keep getting bigger.

[andy6025]

Speaking solely about the two sides of the war, a ceasefire in the black sea benefits putin a lot more than it benefits Ukraine. Putin using global food supplies for his own gain is very much in character and he's done it throughout the war.

If he was serious about peace, an agreement across all fronts would be reachable. I mean ultimately Russia could've had peace at any time since Feb 2022 - just pack up and go the hell home.

Ukraine does not have to agree to the Black Sea cease fire deal if they think it is unbalanced.

As for Russia achieving the peace they so desire by simply packing up and going home, so too could Ukraine achieve peace by submitting to the Russian conditions. Is that not acceptable? Oh, what a surprise. The Ukrainians must be evil war mongers.

Stop being childish. Every school boy knows that there are necessary conditions for each side to accept before peace can be reached. If you cannot understand that then you truly belong on the short bus.