O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[Lullapie]

One question.....

What were the five best things that Biden did as President?

Could you list them please?

[Jampie]

1. He got inflation under control after the trump era of hyperspending and tax cuts
2. The massive inflation reduction act began steering the US economy into critical growth areas including sustainable renewable energy
3. Violent crime down (it shot up under Trump)
4. Health insurance rates went up - something like a third of the people who didn't have insurance got insurance under Biden. This is the next best thing to a functioning public health system (politically impossible in the US)
5. He actually supported Ukraine and handled Russia's invasion of it in a way that meant Russia has lost almost its entire post-cold war land forces
6. He did eventually get a ceasefire signed in Gaza
7. CHIPS act moves critical microprocessor manufacturing into the US meaning a war in Taiwan won't permanently crash the global economy

I mean, just off the top of my head.

Things he didn't do well:

1. Immigration is not under control, although he was stymied by republicans in congress voting down their own bill after he agreed to it, because Trump told them to keep immigration problems as a live issue for the election (this worked)
2. He presented himself terribly throughout, coming off as senile or borderline senile in too many public appearances
3. He should never have run for a 2nd term and had an open primary to replace him, giving candidates better than Harris a fair chance
4. US support of Ukraine was inadequate to push Russia out, and patchy. Although this was in no small part due to Republicans in congress vetoing the spending for months at a time
5. Gaza was a mess. You could theorize a different president would do better. I'm not confident of this.

I mean, I wouldn't put him above the more capable presidents like Bush Senior or Clinton but he wasn't terrible. Trump, IMO, was terrible and will be terrible again. Maybe not as bad as Bush Junior but bad. But I'm not too fussed. He isn't president of Australia so I expect to be largely unaffected by his idiocy.

[Mud Pie]

I expect to be largely unaffected by his idiocy.

happy for you Jam, wish I could say the same

[slack_pie]

Biden issuing preemptive pardons to his family and Fauci in the final hours of his presidency while Trump launched a cryptocurrency meme coin, syphoning billions of dollars of money from normal people to himself, pretty much sums up the state of politics in the US. It's rotten at the top!

[BigFatPie]

Biden issuing preemptive pardons to his family and Fauci in the final hours of his presidency while Trump launched a cryptocurrency meme coin, syphoning billions of dollars of money from normal people to himself, pretty much sums up the state of politics in the US. It's rotten at the top!

* I will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the United States of America, Joe Biden, and the entire Biden crime family, * Trump said last year.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/21/nx-s1-5134924/trump-election-2024-kamala-harris-elizabeth-cheney-threat-civil-liberties

Anybody in their right mind would do what Biden has done given the repeated threats President Rapist has made against his political opponents.

What yesterday reminded me of is that people talk about the rape and the crime and the attempted election stealing but what they forget is that Trump and his hangers on are pretty much to a man and woman stark staring mental. Gulf of America ffs.

[slack_pie]

* I will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the United States of America, Joe Biden, and the entire Biden crime family, * Trump said last year.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/21/nx-s1-5134924/trump-election-2024-kamala-harris-elizabeth-cheney-threat-civil-liberties

Anybody in their right mind would do what Biden has done given the repeated threats President Rapist has made against his political opponents.

What yesterday reminded me of is that people talk about the rape and the crime and the attempted election stealing but what they forget is that Trump and his hangers on are pretty much to a man and woman stark staring mental. Gulf of America ffs.

You're assuming that the Biden family have not been involved in any sort of corrupt dealings. What if they were?

[Med Pie]

Biden issuing preemptive pardons to his family and Fauci in the final hours of his presidency while Trump launched a cryptocurrency meme coin, syphoning billions of dollars of money from normal people to himself, pretty much sums up the state of politics in the US. It's rotten at the top!

She's launched one as well and he's just pardoned over a thousand, Jan 6 rioters.

[SmiffyPie]

Male and female only, unrestricted "Free Speech", out of WHO, out of Climate Accord, end of electric car program, increase in oil and coal extraction, increase in car production, millions deported, not long before people are shot on the borders, Panama, Greenland etc etc. America turning inwards (unless you drop your pants for a Trump). The mind boggles at what is down the road.

[slack_pie]

She's launched one as well and he's just pardoned over a thousand, Jan 6 rioters.

I know, it's crazy. When I heard that Trunp would be "pro crypto", I thought that meant helping the industry grow (rather than trying to destroy, like Biden did) and finding real use cases that would benefit from decentralization and transparency, not enriching yourself at the expense of regular people.

[Med Pie]

I know, it's crazy. When I heard that Trunp would be "pro crypto", I thought that meant helping the industry grow (rather than trying to destroy, like Biden did) and finding real use cases that would benefit from decentralization and transparency, not enriching yourself at the expense of regular people.

The scary bit is that the Yanks have already bought in to it, quite literaly with it's value leaping to over $5 billion in quick time!

[BigFatPie]

You're assuming that the Biden family have not been involved in any sort of corrupt dealings. What if they were?

Im not assuming anything other than what Trumps special prosecutor would find because he would tell them what to find.

Under those circumstances it wouldnt matter whether the Bidens had done anything or not because the findings would be that they had. Hence the pre-emptive pardons.

Trump and his fans first mainstreamed the notion of using the justice system against your political opponents pre 2016. (Lock her up for emails). Very much a case of accuse others of what you yourself are guilty of.

[Med Pie]

Regardless of which side of the fence you are on, on climate change, it makes a mockery of the UK government, forcing painful changes on it's population for their miniscule, carbon footprint, compared to America, China, India, Brazil and others.

[SmiffyPie]

Regardless of which side of the fence you are on, on climate change, it makes a mockery of the UK government, forcing painful changes on it's population for their miniscule, carbon footprint, compared to America, China, India, Brazil and others.

An absolute disaster!!

[Med Pie]

This will be interesting when people from the UK, turn up at the US border with 'gender recognition certificates'. What will they do with passports which show a change in gender?

'Trump also signed an order designating two genders only - male and female – and declaring that they cannot be changed.'

[slack_pie]

Im not assuming anything other than what Trumps special prosecutor would find because he would tell them what to find.

Under those circumstances it wouldnt matter whether the Bidens had done anything or not because the findings would be that they had. Hence the pre-emptive pardons.

Trump and his fans first mainstreamed the notion of using the justice system against your political opponents pre 2016. (Lock her up for emails). Very much a case of accuse others of what you yourself are guilty of.

We'll have to agree to disagree (once again), but it seems more likely to me that the Biden family have been involved in corrupt practices during Joe's tenure than Trump employing a corrupt special prosecutor to frame the Biden family and unlawfully imprison them. In effect, Biden's preemptive pardons protect against both outcomes, so who knows.