O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[Jampie]

Many believe that the ICC is a just a self-fulfilling entity. Seriously, what good does it do? It's another one of those 'one world' ideas that seemed a good idea in the late 1980s and early 1990s because of wars that were happening around the world, but very few of those that they charge and convict get taken into custody.

They had a bit of success with the Yugoslavian conflict and I believe that was about it.

More wasted taxpayer money to fund those on the gravy train.

Many believe in a lot of completely ridiculous things that are demonstrably untrue.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/cases

You reckon these guys should be wandering around doing what they do without ever coming to trial?

They hear cases on war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. I for one don't see that as a waste of taxpayer money.

[Elite_Pie]

Yet again, Trump shows what a warped and classless piece of sh!t he is. Seconds after he offers his 'sincere' condolences to the victims of the plane crash, he decides to score political points by pinning the blame on the Democrats. He is an utterly vile human being.

[SwalePie]

Yet again, Trump shows what a warped and classless piece of sh!t he is. Seconds after he offers his 'sincere' condolences to the victims of the plane crash, he decides to score political points by pinning the blame on the Democrats. He is an utterly vile human being.

Appalling and utterly indefensible. I would imagine (hope) that Americans of all political persuasions are deeply ashamed of him this evening.

[Lullapie]

I thought they had NAFTA to reduce / eliminate tariffs between Canada, USA and Mexico, and I thought Trump then renegotiated NAFTA in his first term for the Maga win.

Sounds like either you're peddling 'alternative facts' yet again, or the master of deal making got his pants pulled down in the renegotiations if Canada can sell to the US tariff free while the US has to pay to sell in Canada.

I wish you would do your research before firing off.

https://www.ruralnewsgroup.co.nz/rural-news/rural-general-news/will-trump-get-involved-in-nz-s-dairy-dispute

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/new-zealand-escalates-dairy-trade-dispute-with-canada-2024-10-18/

Two links above. One from a NZ farmers' website and one from Reuters. Canada are renowned for their protectionism, probably on a par with France with regards to their farmers.

I'm not sure where you live, but farming and tariffs are pretty big news in NZ and it had been widely reported here well before Trump came to power.

[Lullapie]

Much of this thread is a masterclass in the Trump/Bannon strategy of 'flooding the zone with shi t'

What I see is posters making wild claims and then not substantiating then. Then when they either get asked to show proof or they get proven wrong, they get abusive. A bit like a spoilt kid.

[Lullapie]

Yet again, Trump shows what a warped and classless piece of sh!t he is. Seconds after he offers his 'sincere' condolences to the victims of the plane crash, he decides to score political points by pinning the blame on the Democrats. He is an utterly vile human being.

Post your proof - are you referring to the DEI appointments within the FAA that Trump was remarking on? The same way that he attacked the DEI appointments in the Los Angeles Fire Service that meant that Fire Officers were appointed on their gender, ethnicity and choice of ***ual partner irrespective of whether they could do the job or not.

I would say that passenger safety with airlines is of paramount priority. If someone is in a critical role, not because they can do the job, but because they ticked certain boxes, is a valid reason for raising the issue - do you do much flying?

[Elite_Pie]

Post your proof - are you referring to the DEI appointments within the FAA that Trump was remarking on? The same way that he attacked the DEI appointments in the Los Angeles Fire Service that meant that Fire Officers were appointed on their gender, ethnicity and choice of ***ual partner irrespective of whether they could do the job or not.

I would say that passenger safety with airlines is of paramount priority. If someone is in a critical role, not because they can do the job, but because they ticked certain boxes, is a valid reason for raising the issue - do you do much flying?

Wow! I didn't think anyone would stoop so low as to defend Trump on this, but I forgot you are on the same level as him. I wasn't on about details, because the cause of this event is still to be investigated. What I was on about is Trump disgracefully using a tragedy to score political points. The fact you completely missed that says a lot about you.

[Lullapie]

Wow! I didn't think anyone would stoop so low as to defend Trump on this, but I forgot you are on the same level as him. I wasn't on about details, because the cause of this event is still to be investigated. What I was on about is Trump disgracefully using a tragedy to score political points. The fact you completely missed that says a lot about you.

He is the President of the USA. Commander in Chief and in charge of everything that goes off with regards to the country. I can't believe that you would defend not questioning what could be a cause of the accident.

I suppose you'd prefer setting up a committee, that would look into setting up a tribunal, that would take 2 years to report back and cost a fortune and run the risk of more passengers dying?

Do you know that it was Trump who grounded the Boeing fleet in 2019 when there were serious concerns that had befallen the MAX class after the US Federal Aviation Administration had dilly-dallied for months before taking any decision? Probably not. That decision possibly saved hundreds, if not thousands of lives. The FAA were in Boeing's pockets and were one of the last Aviation Authorities in the world to take the step, after Trump stepped in and forced them into action.

His actions probably don't much precedence from where you get your information.

There is the real world and there is the world of jaw-jaw.

[Elite_Pie]

He is the President of the USA. Commander in Chief and in charge of everything that goes off with regards to the country. I can't believe that you would defend not questioning what could be a cause of the accident.

Are you f*cking real? He wasn't "questioning what could be a cause of the accident", he was trying to score cheap political points in the hours after 67 people lost their lives. He didn't care in the slightest about them and their families, his thoughts were entirely how he could use the situation to his advantage. I'm glad you showed your true colours, there's no point in me hurling insults at you because you've already done it for me.

[Old_pie]

He is the President of the USA. Commander in Chief and in charge of everything that goes off with regards to the country. I can't believe that you would defend not questioning what could be a cause of the accident.

I suppose you'd prefer setting up a committee, that would look into setting up a tribunal, that would take 2 years to report back and cost a fortune and run the risk of more passengers dying?

Well you certainly run the risk of more passengers dying if you mis-identify the cause of this horrific accident. Even experts on PPRUNE are not fully clear on what happened. Or are you saying there was a non-Texan in the control tower or a non-redneck flying the chopper and that was the cause?

Commander in Chief perhaps should not be permitting military aircraft to be operating on different frequencies around a very busy airport. Or maybe the control tower was understaffed. Or maybe the controller should have ORDERED the chopper to move to a specific position. The cause of the accident is being questioned by some very skilled people who will ensure they have all the available data at hand - not some loud mouthed megalomaniac trying to score political points. Wouldn't surprise me if there are strikes as a result of this. By the way, at least one major airline will not operate in and out of Washington DC airport at night because of their concerns about safe operating procedures.

[Elite_Pie]

Well you certainly run the risk of more passengers dying if you mis-identify the cause of this horrific accident. Even experts on PPRUNE are not fully clear on what happened. Or are you saying there was a non-Texan in the control tower or a non-redneck flying the chopper and that was the cause?

Commander in Chief perhaps should not be permitting military aircraft to be operating on different frequencies around a very busy airport. Or maybe the control tower was understaffed. Or maybe the controller should have ORDERED the chopper to move to a specific position. The cause of the accident is being questioned by some very skilled people who will ensure they have all the available data at hand - not some loud mouthed megalomaniac trying to score political points. Wouldn't surprise me if there are strikes as a result of this. By the way, at least one major airline will not operate in and out of Washington DC airport at night because of their concerns about safe operating procedures.

Exactly. The cause of this crash will hopefully be identified after a proper investigation, and I'm sure there are a lot of questions that need to be answered. What can be answered immediately is that it's utterly disgraceful to try and score political points in the instant aftermath of a tragedy that has cost many lives. So far Donald Trump and Lullapie have done exactly that.

[Lullapie]

Well you certainly run the risk of more passengers dying if you mis-identify the cause of this horrific accident. Even experts on PPRUNE are not fully clear on what happened. Or are you saying there was a non-Texan in the control tower or a non-redneck flying the chopper and that was the cause?

Commander in Chief perhaps should not be permitting military aircraft to be operating on different frequencies around a very busy airport. Or maybe the control tower was understaffed. Or maybe the controller should have ORDERED the chopper to move to a specific position. The cause of the accident is being questioned by some very skilled people who will ensure they have all the available data at hand - not some loud mouthed megalomaniac trying to score political points. Wouldn't surprise me if there are strikes as a result of this. By the way, at least one major airline will not operate in and out of Washington DC airport at night because of their concerns about safe operating procedures.

I am saying that preliminary reports are that the tower wasn't being correctly manned (or wo-manned). I highlighted an extremely serious aviational issue that occurred in 2018/2019, that the then President, had to step in on and make a quick decision, after the Federal Aviation Administration had procrastinated. The FAA's delay in action could have possibly resulted in the deaths of many people.

Trump has had ongoing issues with the FAA and it was by no means a secret that he wasn't happy with how they recruited employees. If they do have issues with the quality of recruited staff, I am still in the camp of addressing them immediately.

I feel that the US (like many other countries) is on the verge of major operational issues because of it's public service hiring policy of the last few years.

I hope I'm wrong though.

The left-wing media are also lining up to say that it was ACTUALLY Trump who could be to blame for the accident as he has frozen all recruitment in the FAA since he came to power, ten days ago. However, after using that as a headline in some reports, later on it states that it was top end hiring that a freeze had been placed on and it wouldn't have had any impact on the accident.

[SmiffyPie]

Are you f*cking real? He wasn't "questioning what could be a cause of the accident", he was trying to score cheap political points in the hours after 67 people lost their lives. He didn't care in the slightest about them and their families, his thoughts were entirely how he could use the situation to his advantage.

No doubt about that at all.

[Jampie]

The NTSB will conduct an actual investigation. They are literally famous for being impartial and thorough. Any public servant or office holider sprouting theories - especially ones with zero evidence - before said investigation is unprofessional, to say the least.

[Elite_Pie]

I am saying that preliminary reports are that the tower wasn't being correctly manned (or wo-manned).

You just don't get it do you, you're still a million miles away. It's not about the rights, wrongs or possible causes of this, it's about a President trying to make political capital of a tragic incident. Your tongue is so far up Trump's arse I doubt you'll ever get it.