O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[Elite_Pie]

I don't normally see you on here scrutinising every comment that each political leader makes and then saying that they are bad leaders because of it.

More laughable evasion tactics. What every other political leader says, right or wrong, doesn't excuse the depths Trump has sunk to here. You appear to be the only one refusing to see it.

The spade is in your hands, keep digging by all means.

[Lullapie]

What? The people you meet always agree with you and tell you what you want to hear?

Do you know how pathetic you sound?

I never said that, but I do go outdoors and meet people. I said Trump was given a Mandate by the people of the US. I said most of the people I spoke to, were extremely excited about the future and also confident. I also said before that most of the people I spoke to were very negative about the previous four years.

I did meet only one person who was openly anti-Trump who I spoke to. I was in the US and with Americans for five weeks. Please share with me the last time your were there.

That person, asked me if New Zealand was near the Ukraine and also told me that the world had missed out on possibly a great leader because Kamala Harris hadn't won the election.

What is pathetic about that? I'm at a loss. What were you doing in that time, playing online gambling in your underwear?

[Elite_Pie]

What are you talking about? The one thing I don't do is avoid made-up 'points' you make. I ask you for proof and then get abusive.

It isn't a conspiracy theory. Why don't you call me an anti-vaxxer while you're at it? Another one of your childish name-calling tactics.

Read the previous posts. It was an issue that was identified in Trump's first term. There were problems at the FAA that was leading to safety issues in the US aviation industry. Due to the hiring practices of the FAA peoples' lives were in danger. Trump grounded the Boeing Max fleet after FAA wanted to discuss the failings of the fleet more.

Trump then wanted to replace the senior management of the FAA, but was undermined by US career-civil servants. He didn't get chance to clear out the board.

Trump said this time he was going to sort out the FAA and it's hiring processes. The bill was drawn up on 22nd January - over a week before the accident.

He alluded, after the accident, that it could have been caused by what he was trying to sort out. I really can't understand what you are saying is a conspiracy theory.

Don't start me on about the Laken Riley Act. Another issue that the Democrats brushed under the carpet until Trump came in.

F*cking hell, this is like talking to a plank of wood. Evade, avoid, swerve, do anything but face the point.

You obviously think it's fine for Trump to use a tragedy to try and score cheap political points. I don't think many would agree with you.

[SwalePie]

What are you talking about? The one thing I don't do is avoid made-up 'points' you make. I ask you for proof and then get abusive.

It isn't a conspiracy theory. Why don't you call me an anti-vaxxer while you're at it? Another one of your childish name-calling tactics.

Read the previous posts. It was an issue that was identified in Trump's first term. There were problems at the FAA that was leading to safety issues in the US aviation industry. Due to the hiring practices of the FAA peoples' lives were in danger. Trump grounded the Boeing Max fleet after FAA wanted to discuss the failings of the fleet more.

Trump then wanted to replace the senior management of the FAA, but was undermined by US career-civil servants. He didn't get chance to clear out the board.

Trump said this time he was going to sort out the FAA and it's hiring processes. The bill was drawn up on 22nd January - over a week before the accident.

He alluded, after the accident, that it could have been caused by what he was trying to sort out. I really can't understand what you are saying is a conspiracy theory.

Don't start me on about the Laken Riley Act. Another issue that the Democrats brushed under the carpet until Trump came in.

I hate to butt in here but you are absolutely, totally, 100%, COMPLETELY missing the point that people are making. Surely you can see what people are disgusted about? It isn't Trump's points or arguments.

[Lullapie]

More laughable evasion tactics. What every other political leader says, right or wrong, doesn't excuse the depths Trump has sunk to here. You appear to be the only one refusing to see it.

The spade is in your hands, keep digging by all means.

Ok....I'll put a challenge out to you. Quote exactly what Trump said about the events in the Washington DC air disaster. Don't edit them and lets see what you put.

I don't even think you have read them in full and what context they were in.

I think you are having another Musk sieg heil moment.

[Elite_Pie]

What is pathetic about that?

I don't need to explain, you've done it for me perfectly!

[magpie_mania]

When asked if he was going to visit the crash site, he asked if they thought he was going to go swimming.

That is not the kind of frivolous comment that anyone should be making. It might be a small comment but it is things like this that reveal what he is really like.

[Elite_Pie]

Ok....I'll put a challenge out to you. Quote exactly what Trump said about the events in the Washington DC air disaster. Don't edit them and lets see what you put.

Are you really that thick? It's not about "exactly what Trump said", it's about him trying to pin the blame on the Democrats before any facts are known. You really are providing a masterclass in blind stupidity tonight.

[Lullapie]

I hate to butt in here but you are absolutely, totally, 100%, COMPLETELY missing the point that people are making. Surely you can see what people are disgusted about? It isn't Trump's points or arguments.

No worries Swale. I appreciate everyone's views. I can generally see who is disgusted by what Trump says, but I've read the full text and taking into account with what went off before, I see his point. I'm certainly not 'disgusted'. Many of those 'disgusted' were also disgusted by Trump's comments on the LA fires and the Hurricanes in the Carolinas, Georgia and Florida. Which were later proved to be correct.

Sorry to copy and paste so much, but I believe that there on many on here that haven't seen the main part of what was said. He was asked, he answered.

Q: "Are you saying this crash was somehow caused as the result of diversity hiring? And what evidence have you seen to support these claims?"

TRUMP: "It just could have been. We have a high standard. We've had a much higher standard than anybody else. And there are things where you have to go by brainpower. You have to go by psychological quality, and psychological quality is a very important element of it. These are various, very powerful tests that we put to use. And they were terminated by Biden. And Biden went by a standard that seeks the exact opposite. So we don't know. But we do know that you had two planes at the same level. You had a helicopter and a plane. That shouldn't have happened. And, we'll see. We're going to look into that, and we're going to see. But certainly for an air traffic controller, we want the brightest, the smartest, the sharpest. We want somebody that's psychologically superior. And that's what we're going to have.?

He then got asked if he believed Diversity policies or the helicopter pilots had been at fault. He said that it was currently under investigation.

We all differ on opinions and that's fine. I personally have no qualm after reading different transcripts from outlets about he said. I just hope all those that are throwing stones apply the same scrutiny to all politicians in power when they say things.

[Elite_Pie]

He was asked, he answered.

Q: "Are you saying this crash was somehow caused as the result of diversity hiring? And what evidence have you seen to support these claims?"

So why was he asked? Because HE suggested that the crash could be the result of diversity hiring. And you see nothing wrong with him suggesting that. Nothing at all.

[magpie_mania]

No worries Swale. I appreciate everyone's views. I can generally see who is disgusted by what Trump says, but I've read the full text and taking into account with what went off before, I see his point. I'm certainly not 'disgusted'. Many of those 'disgusted' were also disgusted by Trump's comments on the LA fires and the Hurricanes in the Carolinas, Georgia and Florida. Which were later proved to be correct.

Sorry to copy and paste so much, but I believe that there on many on here that haven't seen the main part of what was said. He was asked, he answered.

Q: "Are you saying this crash was somehow caused as the result of diversity hiring? And what evidence have you seen to support these claims?"

TRUMP: "It just could have been. We have a high standard. We've had a much higher standard than anybody else. And there are things where you have to go by brainpower. You have to go by psychological quality, and psychological quality is a very important element of it. These are various, very powerful tests that we put to use. And they were terminated by Biden. And Biden went by a standard that seeks the exact opposite. So we don't know. But we do know that you had two planes at the same level. You had a helicopter and a plane. That shouldn't have happened. And, we'll see. We're going to look into that, and we're going to see. But certainly for an air traffic controller, we want the brightest, the smartest, the sharpest. We want somebody that's psychologically superior. And that's what we're going to have.?

He then got asked if he believed Diversity policies or the helicopter pilots had been at fault. He said that it was currently under investigation.

We all differ on opinions and that's fine. I personally have no qualm after reading different transcripts from outlets about he said. I just hope all those that are throwing stones apply the same scrutiny to all politicians in power when they say things.

What you simply refuse to see is that he has chosen, just a few hours after a tragic plane crash, when there are probably still bodies missing, to make it political and to question people?s mental capacity, psychological well-being and even physical conditions.

Absolutely no compassion. There is a time and place for everything - and today was not the time.

That is what I am so appalled by - he may well be proved right when there is a full investigation, but for now, show some compassion.

[Lullapie]

What you simply refuse to see is that he has chosen, just a few hours after a tragic plane crash, when there are probably still bodies missing, to make it political and to question people?s mental capacity, psychological well-being and even physical conditions.

Absolutely no compassion. There is a time and place for everything - and today was not the time.

That is what I am so appalled by - he may well be proved right when there is a full investigation, but for now, show some compassion.

I don't see it......sorry. If I was a relative or parent of those that were killed, I would want from the get go, everything to be looked at. For me, openness is extremely important and I feel that many in control do all they can to cover up mistakes that occurred under their watch. There is proof of that in all 'democracies'.

What I see is an ongoing issue with the body who regulates air safety in the US. This was identified many years ago, but although Trump claims that he fixed it while he was in power only for it to broken again with Biden, it obviously isn't fixed. From what I read, many of Trump's team believe it is career public servants that have prevented it from happening.

The accident has happened and I wouldn't want anything brushed under the carpet just to protect someone's career. Compassion is of no use if you have lost someone through possibly somebody else's error or because they were doing a high level job that was above their ability.

Trump didn't say it was definitely because of DEI recruitments, but he did say it had weakened the quality of the FAA. I was pointing out, that as the country's leader, he had a right to raise the issue - at any time - especially as he'd been talking about it for years.

[Elite_Pie]

I don't see it......sorry. If I was a relative or parent of those that were killed, I would want from the get go, everything to be looked at. For me, openness is extremely important and I feel that many in control do all they can to cover up mistakes that occurred under their watch. There is proof of that in all 'democracies'.

What I see is an ongoing issue with the body who regulates air safety in the US. This was identified many years ago, but although Trump claims that he fixed it while he was in power only for it to broken again with Biden, it obviously isn't fixed. From what I read, many of Trump's team believe it is career public servants that have prevented it from happening.

The accident has happened and I wouldn't want anything brushed under the carpet just to protect someone's career. Compassion is of no use if you have lost someone through possibly somebody else's error or because they were doing a high level job that was above their ability.

Trump didn't say it was definitely because of DEI recruitments, but he did say it had weakened the quality of the FAA. I was pointing out, that as the country's leader, he had a right to raise the issue - at any time - especially as he'd been talking about it for years.

And still you won't utter a single word of criticism against Trump.

Not one single word.

[Mapperleypie]

Lullapie has gone Ladies and Gentleman.

He is so far lost in right-wing talking heads and "alternative facts" that he can no longer easily differentiate how a decent human being should behave (and certainly the words that should be said by a head of state after a tragedy) by the dirge he is being spoon-fed.

He is not alone, sadly this is endemic.

[SwalePie]

No worries Swale. I appreciate everyone's views. I can generally see who is disgusted by what Trump says, but I've read the full text and taking into account with what went off before, I see his point. I'm certainly not 'disgusted'. Many of those 'disgusted' were also disgusted by Trump's comments on the LA fires and the Hurricanes in the Carolinas, Georgia and Florida. Which were later proved to be correct.

Sorry to copy and paste so much, but I believe that there on many on here that haven't seen the main part of what was said. He was asked, he answered.

Q: "Are you saying this crash was somehow caused as the result of diversity hiring? And what evidence have you seen to support these claims?"

TRUMP: "It just could have been. We have a high standard. We've had a much higher standard than anybody else. And there are things where you have to go by brainpower. You have to go by psychological quality, and psychological quality is a very important element of it. These are various, very powerful tests that we put to use. And they were terminated by Biden. And Biden went by a standard that seeks the exact opposite. So we don't know. But we do know that you had two planes at the same level. You had a helicopter and a plane. That shouldn't have happened. And, we'll see. We're going to look into that, and we're going to see. But certainly for an air traffic controller, we want the brightest, the smartest, the sharpest. We want somebody that's psychologically superior. And that's what we're going to have.?

He then got asked if he believed Diversity policies or the helicopter pilots had been at fault. He said that it was currently under investigation.

We all differ on opinions and that's fine. I personally have no qualm after reading different transcripts from outlets about he said. I just hope all those that are throwing stones apply the same scrutiny to all politicians in power when they say things.

Being generous, I'm sorry but you still don't appear to understand that you're arguing about a completely different topic from the rest of us.