O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[drillerpie]

Firstly, thank you for your constructive post.

Has it ever occured to you that everyone starts off being constructive with you, then when you start making things up and throwing tantrums if people point out reality to you, it goes downhill?

[BigFatPie]

Well we moved on to the supporting ethnic cleansing bit quicker than I thought. A genocidal lunatic bombs the sh!t out of 2.3m people and his useful rapist clown in the White House wants to reward him for it.

Still, those democrats were awful werent they?

[LincsPie]

Under what authority can he remove the Palestinians, take control of Gaza and decide who can then live there?

'Throughout time nations & people have had to be guided through to make them decent people,'

In other words, ethnically cleanse the area.

This man is imo very, very dangerous.

Perhaps (as with the tariffs 'drama') he's presenting a 'nuclear' (not literally) solution in the hope that it'll get the ME nations to start pulling their fingers out and bang some heads together to reach a peaceful solution.

[Old_pie]

Under the authority world peace, Gaza is a basket case along with being a bombed wasteland that is no good even to the Palestinians, they have got to be shown the way of peace and prosperity but they cannot see that beacon whilst Hamas/ Hezbula are ruling with AK47's, Trumpalong with other middle east nations are goiing to do it a different way new ideas, trillions of dollars......... jobs, peace, prosperity, this has got to be the way not rinse & repeat what is now. Unlike most here i have been to Gaza, many years ago, it was a typical middle east enclave, people that didn't want to kill you, markets, souke'good food, it could very well have been a riveria on the Med, along comes PLO, all gone!. It's no good looking at the UN to keep peace, i worked for it, it is a gravy train now, useless, under Major general U'thant it was credible, not nw.

Good post. Lebanon and Beirut (the Paris of the Middle East too - https://www.city-journal.org/article...be-paris-again). It bemuses me that Hamas were able to build such a comprehensive tunnel system and infiltrate so many official buildings all under the auspices of UNRWA; and what a failure 70+ years of that programme has been, probably mainly thanks to the religion of peace.

I recall flights to Far East and Australia refuelled at Beirut, and then I remember armed soldiers boarding the planes and airlines finding an alternative.

The behaviour of Hamas in parading their weapons in their circus displays surrounding the release of hostages is sickening and a clear message that they are undefeated, which is a claim to victory, intend that they intend to continue.

Palestine deserves better. It is perhaps worthy of note that there are nearly 2million Palestinians living in Israel, forming around 20% of the population there.

[Lullapie]

Good post. Lebanon and Beirut (the Paris of the Middle East too - https://www.city-journal.org/article...be-paris-again). It bemuses me that Hamas were able to build such a comprehensive tunnel system and infiltrate so many official buildings all under the auspices of UNRWA; and what a failure 70+ years of that programme has been, probably mainly thanks to the religion of peace.

I recall flights to Far East and Australia refuelled at Beirut, and then I remember armed soldiers boarding the planes and airlines finding an alternative.

The behaviour of Hamas in parading their weapons in their circus displays surrounding the release of hostages is sickening and a clear message that they are undefeated, which is a claim to victory, intend that they intend to continue.

Palestine deserves better. It is perhaps worthy of note that there are nearly 2million Palestinians living in Israel, forming around 20% of the population there.

There?s anecdotal evidence that the UN was funding the tunnel building without those at the top knowing it.

The fact that some of the hostages were kept by Hamas in UN buildings might explain why many were ?unaware? of their activity.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj91ygv803xo.amp

[Mapperleypie]

Well we moved on to the supporting ethnic cleansing bit quicker than I thought. A genocidal lunatic bombs the sh!t out of 2.3m people and his useful rapist clown in the White House wants to reward him for it.

Still, those democrats were awful werent they?

It appears once people start to defend Trump they struggle to back-down and end up blindly supporting any old ignorant crap that comes out of the mans burger-hole just because they think they are 'WINNING'. It's both dangerous and idiotic but on we go.

'We have had enough of experts' - Michael Gove, 2016 EU Referendum

[Med Pie]

Mis quoted again, the Palestinians will be able to live there.Throughout time nations & people have had to be guided through to make them decent people, same here.
The alternative with Gaza is to rinse and and repeat, which does not and has not worked,POTUS has an idea, a solution and it is liked by a lot of others in the middle east, obviously not the terrorists, who need wiping out.

It's not misquoted, Palestinians would be moved out of Gaza for the period of reconstruction, my point is that if that were to happen, there is no way that Israel would have them back, it plays right in to their hands.

'Trump says Palestinians could be resettled away from Gaza, "in areas where the leaders currently say no"

Trump wants Gaza cleared of Palestinians, no doubt after his cosy up to Netanyahu.

[Med Pie]

So what is your qualified opinion for solving the problems in the Middle East?

Post it on here, just in case someone in power reads it and it?s something that no one has thought of before.

I'll tell you what mine is, dissolve Israel, move it to the bible belt in the US, job done.

[Med Pie]

Under the authority world peace, Gaza is a basket case along with being a bombed wasteland that is no good even to the Palestinians, they have got to be shown the way of peace and prosperity but they cannot see that beacon whilst Hamas/ Hezbula are ruling with AK47's, Trumpalong with other middle east nations are goiing to do it a different way new ideas, trillions of dollars......... jobs, peace, prosperity, this has got to be the way not rinse & repeat what is now. Unlike most here i have been to Gaza, many years ago, it was a typical middle east enclave, people that didn't want to kill you, markets, souke'good food, it could very well have been a riveria on the Med, along comes PLO, all gone!. It's no good looking at the UN to keep peace, i worked for it, it is a gravy train now, useless, under Major general U'thant it was credible, not nw.

Caused in no small part by the barbarism of Israel, everything blockaded from food and water to medicine. The creation of the state of Israel is the root of all this. The Yanks wanted to give them a homeland, they should have given them Utah.

[andy6025]

Well we moved on to the supporting ethnic cleansing bit quicker than I thought. A genocidal lunatic bombs the sh!t out of 2.3m people and his useful rapist clown in the White House wants to reward him for it.

Still, those democrats were awful werent they?

When did we not support Israel?s genocide of the Palestinians? Who has ever been on the side of protecting the Palestinians, apart from South Africa who has known the brutality of western backed apartheid? Which American or British politicians with any clout have ever forced Israel to stop?

[slack_pie]

When did we not support Israel?s genocide of the Palestinians? Who has ever been on the side of protecting the Palestinians, apart from South Africa who has known the brutality of western backed apartheid? Which American or British politicians with any clout have ever forced Israel to stop?

Bingo. The previous US administration supported Israel unwaveringly.

[SmiffyPie]

When did we not support Israel?s genocide of the Palestinians? Who has ever been on the side of protecting the Palestinians, apart from South Africa who has known the brutality of western backed apartheid? Which American or British politicians with any clout have ever forced Israel to stop?

None that I am aware of and none will (with any conviction) and I'm sure Israel would not stop unless the US put a halt to the ammunition supply, of course as soon as that were to happen Iran would pile in with glee.

[BigFatPie]

When did we not support Israel?s genocide of the Palestinians? Who has ever been on the side of protecting the Palestinians, apart from South Africa who has known the brutality of western backed apartheid? Which American or British politicians with any clout have ever forced Israel to stop?

Wholeheartedly agree. The response of the UK and US governments to Israels atrocities has been disgraceful verging on criminal. That doesnt make Pres Rapists intervention yesterday any better.

[ThePieWhoCameIn]

Will the public swallow it? That's a shocking statement to make and quite patronising. I think you'll find that over three elections 63 million, 74 million and 77 million respectively voted for him. Are you inferring that many voted for him on a whim or because they weren't intelligent enough to know better?

I think you'll also find that Trump is doing something that the Democrats have never done (and many Republican Presidents haven't done either) since time immemorial and that is do what he said he was going to do.

I believe you'll find that many of the Democratic Party voters and leaders are well below Trump's intellectual level. if you want proof, look how the Democrats are carrying out their National Committee election - a complete mess.

Give the American people a bit more credit. After all, at least they didn't vote in someone like the leader of the UK Labour Party.

You have misconstrued the timeline. I am wondering whether the public will swallow what is coming. I understand he already has his democratic mandate but that is history. The economic effects are in the future. He didn't get elected to reduce living standards but if that is what happens will he be able to maintain his support?

If you think that electorates anywhere in the world think about politics in anything like as much detail as what is on this thread (for instance) you are very naïve. A significant proportion can't even be @rsed to vote. Those that do often don't think much about politics beyond headlines and sound bites, and they base their vote on that. That's not because 'electorates are thick'. It's because they have enough other more interesting stuff to deal with that only the headlines cut through.

I never mentioned his intellect. But as others have noted, in public he uses language that is quite simple and childlike. If he's actually a really smart guy, then he must be doing that because he thinks that's the level of his audience. Take away from that what you like.

[1955pie]

I have tried several times to view page 43 on this thread but it won?t load. Anybody else with this problem please?